Changing Negative Perceptions Of Wrexham
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@thewayneinspain 3157 wrote:
more than happy to reply to this, once you have provided proof to the 20 unproven accusations you have made on this website.
Your dodging the questions !
@angryShopper 3166 wrote:
Your dodging the questions !
more than happy to reply to this, once you have provided proof to the 20 unproven accusations that you have previously made on this website.
If someone else asks the question, i’ll answer it, however those who make 20 unproven accusations that slur wrexham should not be taken seriously.
@Adam 3141 wrote:
..and yet the Grosvenor shopping centre does not affect footfall in Watergate St, the Darwin Centre (Shrewsbury) does not have a negative impact on the (many new) independants in Dogpole.. Etc, etc..
On paper, contrary to yor opinion, EM is superbly connected to the centre of Wrexham with it’s main walkway leading from the High St – who’s very name is in common language used to describe the shopping centre of a town. Yet Wrexham’s High St is anything but. Long since lost to the cheap pubs, tanning salons, cheap pubs, Polish Deli’s, cheap pubs, takeaways and cheap pubs.
Interesting to see last year the old Barclay’s building being spruced up for rental/sale. Looks rather smart. Wonder if it’s had any interest..
Very illogical point made here Adam. You cite 2 shopping developments that are located in the very middle of their respective towns not the fringe. The very middle of Wrexham as it was would probably be at the back of the old Hippodrome Cinema (which ironically was pencilled in to develop). Prior to the development of Eagles Meadow, the town was dominated by the following 3 streets- Hope Street, Queen’s Street and Regent Street (with Henblas Street as a relatively modern add-on). The proof of this was in the rents charged on each, the rates charged on each, the composition of the traders therein. High Street actually fell away aa retail centre for the very fact that it was no longer perceived to be in the centre of the day time economy. In 2007, there were no or almost no local Independents on these streets. As with most towns, however, an organic growth of Independent and local shops (Markets included) had grown in the streets running off these 3/4 streets. Hence, Bank Street, Lampit Street, Chester Street, Lord Street, Chester Street, etc all developed Indie traders. Eagles Meadow was quite revolutionary because at virtually 1 go, businesses moved from the centre to the periphery of the old town. Whilst this development suggests broadly GOOD things for the town, the point that I was making is that it has impacted adversely in the areas that have been denuded of their big names.
This type of fact of life can crucify local businesses UNLESS the local Council UNDERSTANDS the stresses caused and REMEDIES. Thus, my blog was NOT to criticise Eagle’s Meadow per se but to draw attention to the work that needs doing to revitalise the rump outside the EM. Now unless Adam, you are an employee of EM programmed to react to anything that has EM in the blog with spin, I can’t see what you might find to criticise in the original entry (or this one). Oh, and by the way. I am a Retailer
Perfectly logical simply a different opinion to yours. Perhaps it’s best to leave it that before we begin comparing google map measurements.
You’re absolutely correct however about the High St “no longer perceived to be in the centre of the day time economy” which is a corollary of the point I made – being home to the most significant heritage and architecture we have, it should not have been allowed to “fall away”. It did so due to an absence of any form of top-level coordination – be it the council, local forums or both.
If your only conclusion is that I am part of the EM press office then perhaps you’re rather more tormented by it that you’d care to let on. Let me re-affirm my thoughts towards EM made in previous threads: it’s badly laid out, has dreadful pedestrian access, areas of poor-quality finish, lack of pedestrian shelter etc etc etc. Let’s hope you can sleep a little easier this evening now.
Oh and by the way, I’m a casual shopper.
Good opinion there Adam. I bet you’ll get a real show of hands on the location of EM. It might be the centre of the Borough (?), it might be the centre of the Town (?) but the idea that it has been placed within the Town’s shopping centre is not an opinion, it’s a joke. That said, it probably does represent the centre now
Otherwise, I agree with what you have to say (and usually do):)
@Alunh 3174 wrote:
Good opinion there Adam. I bet you’ll get a real show of hands on the location of EM. It might be the centre of the Borough (?), it might be the centre of the Town (?) but the idea that it has been placed within the Town’s shopping centre is not an opinion, it’s a joke. That said, it probably does represent the centre now
Otherwise, I agree with what you have to say (and usually do):)
I never really heard anyone moan about EM when asda was down there, but of course then we had a nice bridge and not a go kart track to get from halfords to kfc.
I don’t use EM, and that’s whats wrong with it, mostly the parking charges / tight car park etc, I’d rather drive to cheshire oaks, park all day free, see a movie, get a meal and go shopping, and I know a lot of people who feel the same
The parking charges are a bit steep. I tend to park in the small car park by the church as it’s cheaper and an added benefit is a bit of a walk to EM.
@Alunh 3174 wrote:
Good opinion there Adam. I bet you’ll get a real show of hands on the location of EM. It might be the centre of the Borough (?), it might be the centre of the Town (?) but the idea that it has been placed within the Town’s shopping centre is not an opinion, it’s a joke. That said, it probably does represent the centre now
Otherwise, I agree with what you have to say (and usually do):)
PrPro
(stupid computers :) )
@Alunh 3174 wrote:
Good opinion there Adam. I bet you’ll get a real show of hands on the location of EM. It might be the centre of the Borough (?), it might be the centre of the Town (?) but the idea that it has been placed within the Town’s shopping centre is not an opinion, it’s a joke. That said, it probably does represent the centre now
Otherwise, I agree with what you have to say (and usually do):)
Probably would be a bit silly to claim EM was built in the centre of town, good job I didn’t.
The bottom line is this: My partner and I work full time. We buy pretty much everything we need from the supermarkets (sorry) and a little online (sorry again). We have evenings and weekends (with family in tow) for casual shopping for items we want. Perhaps a circumstance familiar to others on here.
What frustrates me is that Wrexham town centre falls some way short (EM included to an extent) of providing attractive, pleasant, civilised places to shop, eat and generally socialise during these time constraints. I don’t want to have to drive to the Pant for a good meal or a quiet drink when we can walk to the town centre in 15 mins. Yes I know, before anybody starts, many people here are more than happy with a £5 carvery at the Wynnstay or a 2-4-1 at Yates. That’s great, fill your boots. You are more than well catered for. I’d just like a bit of balance for those of us who want a bit more.
Fundamentally Alan I’m warmed by the fact that we seem to agree that we want to see change and that can only come about with the council, local traders, forums, shoppers, indeed anyone who has an interest in the town’s future, working together and understanding each other. Simple, right? :)
@Adam 3217 wrote:
(stupid computers :) )
Probably would be a bit silly to claim EM was built in the centre of town, good job I didn’t.
The bottom line is this: My partner and I work full time. We buy pretty much everything we need from the supermarkets (sorry) and a little online (sorry again). We have evenings and weekends (with family in tow) for casual shopping for items we want. Perhaps a circumstance familiar to others on here.
What frustrates me is that Wrexham town centre falls some way short (EM included to an extent) of providing attractive, pleasant, civilised places to shop, eat and generally socialise during these time constraints. I don’t want to have to drive to the Pant for a good meal or a quiet drink when we can walk to the town centre in 15 mins. Yes I know, before anybody starts, many people here are more than happy with a £5 carvery at the Wynnstay or a 2-4-1 at Yates. That’s great, fill your boots. You are more than well catered for. I’d just like a bit of balance for those of us who want a bit more.
Fundamentally Alan I’m warmed by the fact that we seem to agree that we want to see change and that can only come about with the council, local traders, forums, shoppers, indeed anyone who has an interest in the town’s future, working together and understanding each other. Simple, right? :)
off hand..
lemon tree
sleepy panda
those in EM
the one in the overton arcade??One of my ambitions is to have a restaurant, but there is no way i’d have one on the high street unless it was two floors up and and south facing. coffee shops and pubs yes, but not a place for a restaurant.
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