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I know, how dare there be some form of archive on the front page of news from the past week. Instead Rob should flood the page with linkbait articles such as “Gresford local slams Post Office on Twitter for giving out £10 change in new £1 coins” or “13 different ways you can use the Library field – number 5 will shock you”. That’s how news is reported today right?May 8, 2017 at 11:54 pm in reply to: Election outcome — who will make up the Groups and Leadership #131015
Let us the Electorate take time to ENSURE that our councillors have
a vote, and use it on OUR behalf.
I think closing door, horse, bolted and stable are words that spring to mind.
This opportunity was on the table, last Thursday. What did the electorate do in general?
i) voted in the status quo
ii) didn’t bother to voteMay 3, 2017 at 4:19 pm in reply to: County Council Election Candidates: The Definition of 'Independent' and 'Local' #130770
Matt, I cannot agree with this comment, and reading the posts for some time, I am quite sure that this was a general comment and not directed at anyone. I can say that I am not a politician, I have never stood for any public office, neither is that likely to happen in the future. In relation to ‘posting anonymously’ is that not the case for all of the contributors? I am a disgruntled voter, both with local and national politicians, and see a need for many changes to the electoral system. Due to some people’s work, we have to stay apolitical or risk the consequences! I do hope that I am not considered a council electioneering account as that certainly is not the case.
Surely, forums are meant to debate the ‘issues of the moment’, inclusive of all views, and should not limit themselves to a group of ‘regulars’?
I’m at a complete loss here , I replied to your post because it was worthwhile and I was in support of it, I’m not bothered about who is new or has been here a while. It has been discussed in multiple other threads here recently that there are multiple councillor candidates who have suddenly signed up anonymously to discredit other councillor candidates within their own wards and other wards. The point has also been made that these people should have the brass to actually tackle their opponents head on as their own public persona rather than hiding behind an anonymous screen name. There are plenty of candidates on here who are public about who they are and have largely been positive or have taken to debate with complete transparency, I have no problem with these people. Likewise, new people who have signed up to the forums to discuss anything are more than welcome. It’s just there is undeniably underhanded mudslinging going on and adds to the whole point I was making about transparency. If you are a candidate in an election you should be expected to be completely transparent whether you are stating that you are independent or working with a political party formally or informally, you should also be making all your public statements or attacking your opponents publicly and not hiding like a common troll.
I hope that clears things up.May 2, 2017 at 6:34 pm in reply to: County Council Election Candidates: The Definition of 'Independent' and 'Local' #130723
Agreed on this, the fact that so many people are independent – adds another layer that lacks transparency to proceeding. Also, as a result of so many people being independent and under-representation of key parties in certain wards now so close to a general election it has created apathy towards the local elections, people are struggling to find the parties they want to get behind on both a local and national level. I also feel with people distracted by the GE the usual council suspects are going to get in on another low voter turnout and we are in for further years of misery and messing about.
On a side note this forum has also been rendered almost unreadable by the sheer number of council electioneering shill accounts, who are posting anonymously (again a lack of transparency) that seem to be dominating conversation and stifling most of the regulars or anyone who is not a political bozo. I can’t wait until it’s all over and they leave the general public to our misery again.April 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm in reply to: General Election candidates look for photo opportunities #130283
I think Atkinson and the Tories have put themselves in a very weak position if they are to allow him to run for both positions.
If he fails to win the council election then he will be viewed as not even good enough to win over voters in a tiny constituency and therefore not fit enough to win over Wrexham as a whole.
If he wins the council election then continues to gun to be an MP then he will be viewed as someone unreliable who can’t finish what they started. i.e. if he is willing to jump ship from his councillor position, which many view as a privileged to be chosen to serve their local community then what’s to say he won’t jump ship as an MP if something better comes along? This is a huge growing trend with MPs, with David Cameron and George Osborne starting off the motions for Brexit but jumping ship to go and earn privately before seeing it through. Tristram Hunt quitting as an MP to run the V&A museum. It’s all very flaky.
Constituency betting odds actually put the Tories slightly in favour over Labour to take the Wrexham seat, so I thought they’d want to parachute in a stronger candidate to finish Lucas off rather than put Atkinson forward again, especially as he hasn’t won anything yet.
Talking of sound-bites and publicity pictures – already on the right-hand side Twitter feed as we type, I can see 1 photo of Lucas with a series of ham baps as part of a hunger project and then a separate tweet about his proposals to make Wrexham part of a 2022 Commonwealth games bid between North West England and North Wales. Seriously Ian? You are going to need to try a lot harder than that there are so many bigger issues afoot in the local community than trying to get some people to throw a few bloody javelins about in Queensway or frustrate international swimmers with the broken lift at Waterworld.
We cannot afford to allow Wrexham and Clwyd South to fall to the Tories, but unless Lucas pulls his fingers out of his backside and gets real it’s going to happen – even with Atkinson in play. As for Susan Elan Jones, well apart from speaking to the Leader (says it all really) about calling the election a cynical U-Turn there’s been nothing from her. The way she spoke in the paper, it sounded like she was annoyed about Parliament being unsettled and didn’t want to be anything more than opposition – not overly confident here, an MP should be confident that they can potentially be in the party that forms government, but oh no Lucas and Jones were too busy unsettling the Labour Party with the leadership challenge which created more damage to the Labour brand than anything else.
What an interesting time we have ahead of us.
I met Jeremy Corbyn back in February and I can only say that I have never a more sincere conviction politician in my life.
I believe that the reason for his alleged unpopularity is twofold:
The ‘Progress’ faction (formed by Blairites in 1996) within the Labour Party who have abandoned the Socialist values of their forefathers to pursue personal advancement and prosperity and further the aims of the organisations that fund them. Jeremy Corbyn refuses to bend to their influence and thus is rarely supported.
Negative press coverage from particularly the Tories who are in league with big business, who are virtually crapping themselves because of the agenda proposed by Corbyn would cost them dearly. I also believe, although I have no proof of it, that certain Labour backbencher are not averse to adding fuel to the fire.
Corbyn is a very sincere intelligent man who is very much maligned and portrayed as a village idiot.
It is always interesting to hear the opinions of people who have actually met Corbyn as from what I have experienced when speaking to the average person, Corbyn is distrusted because of his negative image in the media. Most people are too scared to back perceived ‘losers’ and want to vote with the popular crowd, which is why the likes of the Sun has so much influence even though they are an utterly abhorrent organisation. The whole thing that people find attractive about voting for the underdog in sports doesn’t seem to translate to the political arena.
Many people still view Corbyn as the man who apparently lied about not being able to find a seat on a train, just as much so as most people still equate Ed Miliband’s political career to not being able to eat a bacon sandwich.
As much as the hyper-informed people on social media like to think their comments and retweets of things they agree with or arguments with people they disagree with and the debunking of propaganda make an ounce of difference, it doesn’t – it’s a tiny bubble that has little to no impact on elections. I am guilty of these things myself, but it is more out of frustration than anything else these days. People want a platform to try and help drive social change, but whilst mainstream media remains king in helping formulate opinions, there is a long way to go before the change that people want will materialise. There is no silver bullet that will persuade enough people that social change is actually needed. If positive ideals were genuinely believed in this country then the likes of the Liberal Democrats (in their purest form) and the Green Party would have a lot more voters and MPs.
That is the only salient point you make in your post, the rest does not merit further elucidation on my part.
I see that The Works have got yet another thesaurus sale going on in town.
This general election will take place before the negotiations. The SNP are calling for a referendum during the negotiations.
If a major sporting team started messing about and getting distracted in the build up to a big tournament, they would be heavily criticised and on failure of winning, blame would be attributed to the lack of preparations beforehand.
The negotiating process is already underway now that Article 50 has been triggered and to distract now is as bad as distracting at any point. 6 weeks of the PM’s teams working on electioneering is 6 weeks taken away from spending time focusing on getting the best deal for the country. 6 weeks for BoJo to parade around what an utter incompetent f*ckwit he is both nationally and internationally. Fantastic negotiating strategy.
Oh that and someone just reminded me that Theresa May’s excuse to Scotland a few weeks back was that they couldn’t have an independence referendum because she was busy focusing on Brexit negotiations to deal with any voting in the next 2 years, now she’s called a full blown General Election which apparently won’t cause distractions from the same negotiations.
Out to Lunch, Dinner and Supper.
Agree that Ian Lucas has really pushed his luck as Labour MP for Wrexham and I’m not overly enamoured with Susan Elan Jones’ voting with the government to bomb Syria.
However, the fact that the media has Theresa May portrayed as a picture of sanity, she claims that God speaks to her and guides her. If she was any religion other than Christianity, in this now faux Christian state people would be getting the opinion of 2 medical professionals and getting her sectioned or held under terrorist laws if she was muslim.
Yet apparently Jeremy Corbyn is the dangerous lunatic with these incredibly irrational policies:
Now I’m not 100% sold or deluded that Corbyn and Labour could save the country and Wales (will be interesting to see what Welsh policies unfold). However, anyone has to be better than the abysmal performance of the Tories since 2015 and arguably during coalition. David Cameron pledges a Brexit vote with no plan on how to execute Brexit if it happens, lies are heaped on to get people to vote for promises that can’t be kept and then Theresa May comes in and government U-Turn after government U-Turn happens, including a U-Turn where she said that no General Election would occur until 2020 and now here it is coming in 6 weeks.
People are going to complain whoever is running the country, but the current shower are toxic and have turned us against the whole of Europe and alienated Scotland and Northern Ireland and at the same time continuously threaten the NHS and the apparently labelled ‘Just About Managing’ JAM demographic of people, which includes lots of hard working families and young individuals.
People just need to take a reality check and decide whether they want to continue to be punished and treated with disrespect by the Tories for another 5 years or vote for a change. I’m not even fussed who people vote for as long as it is a meaningful vote against the Tories.
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