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[quote quote=176668]A vote for the Brexit party is a vote to delay leaving the EU as they won’t agree a deal, any deal. Parliament won’t allow no-deal & so we continue going round & round in circles.[/quote]
This is technically not true – the PREVIOUS Parliament won’t allow no-deal. There are currently no standing MPs – so whether or not any kind of deal or a no deal would be permitted depends entirely on who is voted in and what the Parliamentary arithmetic is -based on how these 4 groupings would behave:
1) MPs who want Boris’ deal
2) MPs who want No Deal
3) MPs who want a Labour re-negotiated deal
4) MPs who want to remainLooking at the way Boris was behaving last night on that video being widely circulated – not even having a clue how his current deal works in terms of customs declarations between GB and Northern Ireland – contradicting his own Government. Then I can’t see how Boris is even wanting to push through that deal.
Boris and Dominic Cummings end game is to actually crash out with a no deal after the current unworkable deal gets defeated by Parliament. This deal was never negotiated to be a workable solution, it was always negotiated on a tactical basis, so Boris has some meat and substance for this Election to say he’s getting Brexit done after being blocked from the no deal position.
What’s even more interesting is that the more moderate MPs from both the Tories and Labour who would perhaps have voted for a Johnson deal for the sake of a progressive democratic progress are all standing down. The candidates being selected for the Tories are all looking to be hardcore ERG group types – Atherton is one of them. More likely to favour a Hard Brexit – which leans towards No Deal. Labour candidates being selected are either hardcore Remainers like Wimbury or hardcore Corbyn socialists who would never vote for a Tory deal but would opt for a Labour deal or a people’s vote.
So as far as I’m concerned a cross for the Brexit Party or a cross for the Tories would both push you over the line towards a No Deal Brexit. But everything is even more polarised from the 2 main parties – as all the moderates and centrists from the party are vanishing.
SNP are odds on to take a clean sweep of Scotland, because they are gunning to remain in Europe at all costs, even if it means another Indy Vote.
However, the centrists are on shaky ground putting forth alliances in key marginal seats – Green, Lib Dems and Plaid as they risk alienating loyal voters of certain parties by trying to consolidate their voter-base.
Lib Dems as remainer in Chief party could frustrate both Labour and Tory seats, but they seem to be gunning more for Tory seats.
Then you do have a vote split risk between Brexit Parties and Tories if you want Brexit – particularly in Wrexham. But if either of the 2 candidates Gill or Atherton were returned for Wrexham, they’d stack in favour of the type of Brexit most on here have discussed want.
As it stands – anything other than an outright Majority for the Tories or an alliance between Tories/Brexit party that posts an overall majority spells bad news for Brexit in the short term.
If Labour form any kind of coalition whatsoever (firmly looking at SNP as main partners) then we go to the people’s vote and quite frankly we reset back to June 2016 as far as the process is concerned. But then we get the decision over Soft Brexit or Remain.
Quite frankly politics is a pain in the backside really. I’d like this country to get back on track with dealing with non-Brexit related issues again – one way or another.
Boy do the privileged not have their finger on the pulse.
What’s that bloody crying over the name of the legislature. How about making a big deal about whether or not it’s even capable of making the right decisions across the whole of Wales.
Oh that’s right back pats all round for preserving the Welsh language – which is in rude health already for those who want to use it and also double income for the printers with all the bilingual things we need all the time.
Can we find 30 luvvies who care about the state of the healthcare system? I think not.
Wimbury is pro-EU to the max
Where do I stand on Brexit?[quote quote=176443]
All the wingers need to get in their box and start getting behind THEIR candidite and get on the road to convince others that Labour actually has something to offer for getting Brexit over the line.[/quote]Well herein lies the problem Derek – both the grassroots and the PLP in Labour are completely split between leave vs remaining still. So you’ll get one person telling you Labour are going to go and get a better Brexit deal – but ultimately a people’s vote is what will follow and the remain element will focus on that and supporting remain in a second referendum which will lead to blocking Brexit.
Wimbury herself is a Europhile – probably more so than Lucas was. Check this blog.
Where do I stand on Brexit?Wimbury wasn’t the best candidate on that list. Helen Grout who came runner up would have been a significantly better candidate.
Of course people should get behind Wimbury and vote for Labour in Wrexham. But alarm bells ring when she is being congratulated by the absolutely despised right wing Blairite and Israel Apartheid Cheerleader Luke Akehurst.
I will reserve judgment on her based on how she does for Wrexham if she gets in and her overall conduct within Labour.
[quote quote=176402]Labour vote tonight for their candidate – looks like two people from South Clywyd (Ruabon for one) , one from Conwy and one from Caenarfon.. where are the local Wrexham candidates.[/quote]
Bit disingenuous to suggest that individuals from the County aren’t local. Fact of the matter is due to boundary issues someone could stand from New Broughton and still not be counted as local!
Lucas was from Gateshead and settled in well & Marek was born in Bloody London – so it’s decent to see an all Welsh shortlist.
[quote quote=176248]It will be a short list but not as short as the number of Elected Labour MP’s. Saddled with the treachery to the Welsh leave vote of the un-democratic Lucas (and his Welsh leave denial cronies), the Labour candidate doesn’t stand a chance as there will be only one leave candidate either the Brexit Party or Conservatives. I urge the conservatives not to field a candidate in the constituency that has recently been confirmed to fully be a Brexit constituency. As for the Liberal un-democratic party – these are a bigger joke than Labour. I believe their Leader (as a Scot) has been planted in Westminster by the SNP to stop Brexit – a total reversal of their former policy. To vote Lib-Dems is a vote for the takeover of England and Wales by the Scots ![/quote]
Votethecouncillorsout stumbles into the room largely with a mad and wild drunken look in their eyes, people look over and realise who it is and then go back to their own conversations. A vaguely harrowing rant sound ebbs over the crowd, but no-one is interested – wildly animated but a too repetitive and shadow of a performance that it is too easily ignored. Satisfied with said rant Votethecouncillorsout returns back into the blackness that they once came – having neither provided substance nor convinced anyone that a political argument took place.
Parliament doesn’t dissolve until 5th November so the official election and purdah period doesn’t even begin until 6th November.
It is understandable that Labour has not yet got a candidate forward as Ian Lucas only recently decided to stand down as an MP before the next election. This has been an issue for many constituencies across the UK – even for the Government with MPs still standing down on a daily basis – with uncertainty over what candidates will replace them for the incumbent party. Snap elections are far from standard or certain.
Realistically it’s going to be a 2 horse race between Lab/Tories as it has been for the past few elections.
