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A lynching is still called a party in some countries.
Oh lovely. I realise even with some of the characters we have on this forum we can jest about this sort of thing.
But it reminds me of the nice chap on Twitter earlier who was being told where he could purchase a hi-viz yellow jacket for £3 regardless of the outcome for 29th March. He replied ‘Give me an AK47 instead’.
What interesting times we live in.[/quote]
Ah yes, Twitter. I was just on there looking at what is being claimed to be the first page of the “manifesto” of the Christchurch shooter – and feeling distinctly uncomfortable about much of what he’s said. Because the same xenophobic rhetoric is often employed by others and seems to have become more commonplace in recent years and more tolerated.
He’s just a “regular White man”, “taking a stand to ensure a future for my people”, trying to “show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands”, aiming “to directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves”.
I do not recognise the “invasion” he speaks of and so it does not strike fear into me. I am, however, very concerned about people like him. His sort of beliefs are truly scary.
I read something early last year about how right wing organisations are gaining a particular foothold in Wales. I don’t remember specifically where I read it but a quick Google suggests it’s still a concern to some people at least.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46557076
MP1953, on the face of it, I agree with you. However, this is a discussion forum. People disagree. WreX-iT started this thread by posting deliberately provocative opinions that, like it or not, are akin to those held by misogynists, the KKK and others. He volunteered these views, I then volunteered mine, he then called me a prick. He couldn’t even see the irony in this post of his: “Do they have groups for pricks who live in a vacuum and lambast people who happen to have an opinion that differs from their own?”.
He went on to allege that I’m “pant wetting”, “not allowed” to read a newspaper and that I’m the “sort of prick” who gets upset about Amber Rudd’s use of the term “coloured”. In fact, according to WreX-iT, I’m the one with the small mind and it’s the fault of people like me that the country is in such a state. You shared that post and made a comment about spelling.
He posted provocative views, I responded in kind and then he got all bent out of shape. I recall him doing the same with someone on his Brexit street party thread when they said Brexit would never happen (even though he’d already suggested as much himself). If WreX-iT can’t cope with people disagreeing with him, then perhaps a discussion forum is not the place for him; he might be better suited to an echo chamber.
I don’t see you concerned when people deliberately insult me – or others like me (i.e. those who don’t share your opinions). I even had a thread made about me – I just checked and you commented on it – but the fact I was singled out in that way didn’t seem to bother you at all. So perhaps you’ll understand why I find your claim [that you think people should be able to state their views without being called a prick or the like] somewhat disingenuous. I’m inclined to think that the reason it bothers you now is because the opinions I mocked are ones you possibly happen to agree with. Or because WreX-iT tried to insinuate that “people like [me]” are why the UK voted for Brexit.
It seems to me that WreX-iT is someone who needs his Brexit buddies to validate his views and help fight his corner against someone so heinous he likens her to Mary Poppins. I don’t need anyone else to agree with me or fight my corner and I’m not going to be intimidated into silence or off this forum by his angry ranting when I touch a nerve. As far as I’m concerned he came across as a bitter little man put out because there was an international day for someone other than him. If he wants a straight white male day then why not set one up himself? Why is it someone else’s responsibility to do that? And how does he get from that to calling me pant wetting and blaming people like me for the state of the country? Poor WreX-iT, it must be terrible for him living in a world that’s everyone else’s fault.
I’m sorry if this is not the conciliatory tone you were hoping for, MP1953, but I’m not a fan of double standards or of massaging the egos of sensitive souls like WreX-iT.
My word, WreX-iT, you’re a very easily triggered little snowflake, aren’t you. And I thought you’d cheer up when you learned there was a special day for men too. Do you even feel neglected by International Men’s Day? Why? Are you insecure in your masculinity or are your feelings hurt because the real men didn’t tell you about it and invite you to join in?
Is the problem the fact that it was a woman who told you about it? That you made yourself look like a dick because it didn’t occur to you to do a quick Google to find out about International Men’s Day or to learn that your opinions align so closely with the KKK. And yet you sounded so proud, so smug, of your views when you started this thread. And then so immediately outraged when I dared to disagree with you.
Are you going to reply with another GIF? Go on, poppet, that’ll show me what a real man you are I’m sure.
You mean pricks like you? I thought that was obvious but I appear to have credited you with too much intelligence. It’s the groups I pointed you towards. They’re nothing but pricks. Just your kind of people.
WreX-IT, there is actually a UK political party for insecure men who feel threatened by the notion of women having the same rights and recognition as those that some men take for granted. Your knee jerk reaction to the outrageous “International Women’s Day” suggests to me that it might be the political party for you.
The political party is called “Justice for Men & Boys (and the women who love them)”.
I particularly like how it includes the women who love them – not the women they love. Perhaps that’s because they only love themselves.http://voices.avoiceformen.com/j4mb/
Incidentally, “International Men’s Day” is 19th November and is supported by UNESCO.
According to Wikipedia, “Groups such as the White Aryan Resistance and Ku Klux Klan have also tried to oppose ‘gay pride’ by stressing straight pride”. So maybe those are groups you can also identify with and might derive some comfort from.
She was 15 when she left – she had been groomed online, somehow having found the means to afford travel to Turkey, using her sister’s passport. None of this seems to have been picked up by the UK authorities. In my opinion, the UK failed in its duty of care to her when she was still a minor. I can easily imagine that this all seemed like an adventure to an impressionable teenager. She was groomed online and then once in Syria she was married off – if this was while she was still 15 then in the UK her ‘husband’ having sex with her would be child abuse. Since arriving in Syria I think it’s likely that what she knew of the outside world was only what the IS members who lure people like her to Syria wanted her to know – if so, this would probably count as ‘coercive control’, which would make her the victim of a crime by UK standards.
That said, she does not now present as someone deserving of sympathy. I certainly won’t feel sorry for her if she’s not allowed to set foot in the UK again. She doesn’t even seem savvy or devious enough to pretend to be disturbed by what IS does (e.g. beheadings, terrorism), even if only in an effort to persuade the UK to take her back.
However, I think removing her citizenship is wrong. Unless there is something the public has not been told, Bangladesh had nothing to do with her upbringing or radicalisation. By revoking her UK citizenship the UK authorities hoped to make her Bangladesh’s problem. What happened in her case occurred originally on UK soil to a UK citizen and I think it’s very bad form for the UK to dump her on Bangladesh. Leaving her in the refugee camp makes her the Kurds’ problem and yet they’re our allies. I don’t want her in the UK either, but I still think it is the UK’s responsibility to deal with her rather than pass the buck.
Councillor X, you’re the one who needs to get a sense of humour. There was nothing funny in your posts.
If you’re trying to be humorous, maybe you should stick to defending councillors and “top managers” over their free car parking – that the idea of them paying for their own parking gets you so worked up is hilarious.
Annoys me how foreign nationals entering UK are “immigrants”/ “migrants” but UK nationals living abroad are “ex-pats”.
Also annoys me how migrants are made the scapegoats for various issues (e.g. NHS waiting times, low salaries). E.g. migrants from EU are (even now) entitled to travel to the UK, reside here, work here, etc. They are doing nothing wrong yet there seems to be so much resentment towards them and often hostility. And it seems to me to be mainly directed at eastern Europeans.
This seems really odd to me. Why would the scouts run a contest to choose which teenager should attend the jamboree, when it’s not within the scouts’ powers to actually send the winner to the jamboree? They’re basically saying that this teenager won a prize in a competition, but that he has to pay for the prize.
I’m assuming the young scouts who entered the competition all knew they would have to raise the funds themselves if they won, and so were not duped as such – but even so it’s a strange prize to win. Giving with one hand and taking with the other.
It’s not a cause I’d donate to, but each to their own. If other people want to donate I don’t have a problem with that. I do think it comes across as a bit mean for the scouts to do this to a teenager though – how would he feel if he couldn’t raise the funds & so couldn’t go to the jamboree? Perhaps it’s intended as a test of resourcefulness by getting the winner to raise funds through sponsorship or doing odd jobs etc – but if the winner came from a wealthy family they might be able to pay for the trip easily without fundraising. So whether the winner gets to enjoy their prize by attending the jamboree is based on personal or family circumstances, which seems unfair to me.
