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[quote quote=136705]Elaine Guntrip-Thomas, chairwoman of Wrexham’s Save Our Heritage group, said the group “knew the worth of the building all along”.
She added: “We believe that we have been vindicated in our decision to campaign to save this important building.
“The next step will be to ensure the building is used to educate future generations.”
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That juxtaposition of those 2 images implicates the council for failing to take the next steps, not the Save Our Heritage group. Those 2 images just show how piss poor Councillors are at taking serious both the issues of homelessness in Wrexham and the need to secure additional educational facilities for our children.
If someone can honestly tell me that the Council don’t have the power to relocate these people to a more secure and suitable (even temporary) location and then start works on returning the Groves to a place of education then the town is in even worse hands than I thought.
[quote quote=136690]The site currently looks like an advert for the Go Outdoor camping shop with a choice of tens from 2 man to family.
There has now been extra fencing put up which restricts access to the rear of the Groves from the Chester Road site.
Not sure that winter will be a deterrent as many of the ‘campers’ will have slept in far worse conditions than they are in at the moment.
Perhaps the installation of lighting and patio heaters will improve the overall comfort or perhaps there could be a complete move to the Council owned Crown Buildings that have at least two floors currently not in use and very limited number of local residents.[/quote]
If they can afford to run patio heaters for them all winter they may as well send them all off for a jolly in Spain to keep them warm.
Some very interesting points made Dylan. Definitely brings us back round to the question as why the council have ‘tolerated'(unofficially allowed) the homeless of Wrexham & further afield to congregate in 1 hotspot. Like you said in a previous post they have shot themselves in the foot there.
Because the Groves site is their responsibility, as is safeguarding anyone who resides in our town (with home or without) then they need to take full ownership and lead the charge so to speak and appear to be doing more than just talk. I would suggest that most townsfolk are not aware that you can drop things off for the homeless at Ty Croeso on Grosvenor Road. A more town centre pop-up location (plenty of units on Henblas) where people can go in and drop things off and find out how to volunteer and about local fundraising initiatives would be a good idea. Unfortunately this would send out a public message that the council do not want to tourists that we have such a big homeless problem.
I think the reason people are coming out of the woodwork now to give to charity rather than before is because the average person is reactive to those less fortunate. Most people don’t care about giving to charity except during the likes of Comic/Sport Relief or Children in Need.
I honestly don’t have a clue who this person is or what their name is, but the person who was asking I do trust.
Now this might be a problem person, but since when have Facebook comments ever been a reliable indicator or fact?
You only have to see some of the more contentious articles from Wrexham.com or The Leader shared on Facebook with the vile and intolerant comments to see why people should be looking beyond social media before formulating an opinion.
My point being when the local authority line is to condemn people as ‘druggies and urging people not to help them directly, then this type of judgemental and divisive behaviour becomes acceptable and normalised.
[quote quote=136399]It’s brilliant that the Wrexham public have embraced homelessness and this camp – all the donations of food, clothes, etc being given is fantastic. I have some homeless addict friends in Rhyl who say they don’t get anything like that up there, just get persecuted and moved on by the authorities. They are now thinking of “relocating” to Wrexham in fact! Well done Wrexham.
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I think it’s highly commendable that people want to help out the homeless regardless of their addict status they are just fellow human beings in need.
I think the council need to tone down their rhetoric of criticising people who want to provide direct support to those in the camp.
There is quite a desperate plight for many. Someone has been appealing on Facebook to get a spare wheelchair for a young homeless girl with a broken hip. Many people have been sympathetic but there are some who have suggested she shouldn’t get one as she’ll only sell it on for drug money. Now I’m quite a cynic & not ruling out that, that could actually happen, but sneering and making the worst assumptions means that no-one will get help and the problem will only get worse.
You only need to look at Marky Prandle as an example of someone who has turned his life around after years of addiction because people in the town didn’t quit helping him.
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Also, the quote button doesn’t seem to work either.
Quote should work now, bit of depreciated jQuery now added directly in to fix. Duct tape style fix!
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Yep!
Absolutely spot on Adam. It’s beggar’s belief that the Exec Board leadership have gotten away with pulling the wool over the general public’s eyes for so long. The independents all got voted back in off the back of doing local favours in their respected wards. I learned in this year’s council elections that the very low turnout of people who actually bother to vote, do so on a ticket of who they know in the local area rather than any merits of putting together a stable council to push forward an agenda for the greater good of Wrexham.
The absolute crock I heard about people’s voting intentions were things like: “Ooh well our man standing fixed me mam’s gate last year” or “I knew Councillor T’s Grandad and his family have lived in the area for generations, everyone else on the ballot are outsiders, I won’t be voting for them”.
Because they are independents there is no coherent party-line or coalition line to adhere to governing Wrexham, so literally we have to put up and suffer with Mark Pritchard’s cloak and dagger approach (I really believe he hides in the shadows) of creating an antagonising element in Wrexham that he pushes all the blame and focus on and then whilst the rest of the town rots, all the issues can be blamed on this one thing and the rest of the town’s shortcomings can go jump. Unfortunately the majority of townsfolk who don’t really drill down into the nitty gritty of what’s going on, will see national headlines about druggies and homeless and lay all the blame right there, after tutting about how bad the place they live in has become, but then won’t want to lift a finger or make a call to action to actually do anything.
The latest advice from Deputy Cllr Hugh Jones was something akin to we’ve set-up this zoo here but do not feed the animals.
Then something along the lines of some of these animals are not even wild and are actually domestic pets with homes and quite a few of them have been biting the work experience kids during feeding times.
Well Mr Jones, based on the evidence you have provided us it’s the council’s zoo and they should be doing something about it.
