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Janey- a number of the original supporters have changed their minds as well.. full of promise yet nothing to meet the original expectations.
Bank holiday weekend and nothing papers to have been on as nothing is on the website
The Ty Pawb car park is still run by the Council – the income is still going into the Council coffers – if a Trust had been formed the income was due to go to the new management entity.
Unless something has changed there will be no reason why Council staff cant uses their £100 voucher in this car park.
If they are restricted from using the car park then there will be a significant loss to the Ty Pawb fund to reduce the overall deficit.
Why did the Council not webcast the Mayor making today?
The view of “Excellent support service” maybe that of the users it certainly is not the view from the public — if “All” of these services were excellent doing what they should be then we would not have the visible issues that we have.
There is no way that they can be defined as excellent services as they are totally failing to tackle the issues that are present-
As I stated earlier my concern is that so little seems to be in place for our teenagers that there is a huge risk that we are potentially bringing up the next generation of street alcoholics and drug abusers. In all honesty, it is probably too little too late for the current group and all that can be done is to plan their palliative case as they are fast approaching the time when they will be dead.
Invest now in our young people to try and reduce the chance of them slipping into this decrepit lifestyle.
Clearly, on some points, some people have not grasped the situation.
Why Island Green – the reason! the people parking and shopping there are generous. Basic economics they will go to a place where the people are most generous. This is nothing to do with agencies in town this is to do with the public- stop being generous and you stop the begging.
Agencies- I agree there are probably a lot of agencies and lots of their services are not joined to – the Ty Nos one in particular where they can go for 12 hours then out on the street is a typical lack of holistic approach.
People come to Wrexham for services – this is a total myth and figures from the agencies prove this. Whether we like it or not the vast majority are ‘homegrown Wrexhamites’. Many have families still in the area who have disowned them so there is nowhere to send them back to where they came from. Any family in Wrexham could lose a family member to drugs/alcoholism – it is not just about people in Caia- it could be Acton, Gresford, Marford, Rhos. Substance abuse can take hold of anyone at any time – where they live is not relevant- anyone reading this thread is likely to know first-hand someone they were in school with, work colleague or family member who has become entwined with this very murky part of society.
Solutions have to be found that are meaningful and long lasting – at present there only seems to be a success rate of about 1 in 10 that sign up to detox actually remaining clean.
Biggest fear- this surely must be that as soon as one group are lifted from a life of drugs and street life there is another cohort coming behind them. If you have a child who gets on the school bus in King Street then look at them very closely when they come home at night – how do they look, how do they communicate with you- there is a group most mornings and afterschool who are clearly taking, smoking stuff- these youngsters are in danger of being the next generation of beggars and street drug users.
It is no good parents thinking that my child will never end up like them – think long and hard and make sure you talk with your youngster – this time of year many are under huge pressure from exams and they are in danger of turning to substances to “ease” the pressure. If we can save this generation from a life on the streets then we really have started to solve the problem.
STOP GIVING MONEY AND FOOD AND START LOOKING AFTER THE YOUNGSTERS OF TODAY.
Clearly, you are looking for a policy of out of sight out of mind[ lock them away would only remove one cohort – the drug dealers would only find more vulnerable people to prey on. Removing one set of people does not solve the problem of people not content with their lives and dealers who will sell any substance so long as they make a profit/
Accommodation is not the issue there is plenty of provision from the Council and other agencies- education is crucial and supports to move them from their current lifestyle. The public has really got to stop feeding their drug habits by giving food and money that then goes on drugs.
A number of those on the street will not go into available accommodation as they want to take drugs and drink during the night. Remember some of those begging are actually making enough money to sleep in local hotels.
The lifestyle of the beggers is being perpetuated by the public and this is letting some of the agencies off from dealing with the issues by providing long-term support.
A couple of weeks ago I walked through Ty Pawb and heard some guitar playing- there was a classical guitarist playing to about 4/5 people. It was such a pity that no one knew as there had been no publicity it was people passing on the off chance. The same as the girl referred to on the market these performers are hardly going to turn up to anything in Wrexham again.
Why would residents f South Denbighshire that has a public satisfaction rating about 50% higher than Wrexham residents want to even consider coming to into Wrexhamshire?
There are far more negative issues in Wrexham than just the media-driven profile of zombie town,, poor education, Social Care cracking at the seems, potholes you can swim in, an Art Hub that will drain money like a sewer to name but a few.
Very well said Jimbow – based on a £300k+ deficit paid for by ratepayers we are already paying. If I was a ‘Friend of Ty Pawb’ based on what is there at present I would be looking as quick as possible to find the ‘unfriend’button the same as on Facebook.
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