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  • #172395
    MattJ
    MattJ
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    The section of the A483 under consideration in this study sits within Wrexham County Borough. There are no designated AQMAs within the vicinity of the scheme, or located within Wrexham itself. However the A483 is considered to be the principal local source of air pollution. -A483 Wrexham – WelTAG stage 2 report

    Step 1:
    Pretend we have a problem with no data.

    The closest monitoring stations to the section of the A483 under consideration are locations 20 and 32 on
    Chester Road. Concentrations at these locations are well within the air quality objectives but the sites are too
    distant from the A483 to assess whether the PCM modelled concentrations are consistent with local
    monitoring. -A483 Wrexham – WelTAG stage 2 report

    Step 2:
    Discover the closest monitoring is all within the air quality objectives.

    As part of ongoing monitoring we will be installing a permanent air quality monitoring station alongside the A483 and will use this data to help inform future actions. -A483 Speed Limit Order Objection Response

    Step 3:
    Don’t have any data to compare the no2 levels with before changing the speed limit. They can’t prove us wrong if we don’t provide any data.

    Step 4:
    Add speed cameras

    Step 5:
    Profit? ££££

    According to my in depth research and my superpower of common sense, it’s far easier and cheaper to put a statement out saying “We need some money, we’re sticking up speed cameras on the A483”.

    #172396

    billycoen
    Participant

    Totally agree,a much less obvious way would have been to place benches and phoneboxes chicane like along that stretch of road.No one would ever suspect.

    #172406

    Huw
    Participant

    They’re up, nothing you or anybody can do about it (not even that daft sod that started the petition) so just get on with it and stop wasting your time moaning.

    #172421

    steveg
    Participant

    The media is awash this week with the threat 9f global warming, from red meat to burning tundra.
    Is it time for Wales to become a world leader in reversing climate change and institute a 50mph speed limit right across Wales?
    Reduced emissions.
    Reduced fuel bills.
    Reduced accidents.

    #172425

    Matt
    Participant

    The media is awash this week with the threat 9f global warming, from red meat to burning tundra.
    Is it time for Wales to become a world leader in reversing climate change and institute a 50mph speed limit right across Wales?
    Reduced emissions.
    Reduced fuel bills.
    Reduced accidents.

    No that would be stupid. Can you imagine the hit to trade and tourism if you stunted the M4 and A55 to 50mph. It’s hard enough to get anywhere from A to B as it is in this mountainous country full of mainly back roads.

    Enough accidents happen at 50mph and less anyway on some of these other A roads. Also congestion from increased load on the roads would wipe out any emission reduction savings by lowering the speed limit.

    Plus I don’t think anyone would be delighted about a pittance in fuel bill savings when instead they have to take an extra 20-30 minutes of commute time to get to and from work.

    I’m all for saving the planet but there’s very little our small and largely inoffensive to the environment country can do if China, India and the USA continue to pollute at the rates they do with no curbs whatsoever.

    The UK as a whole will eventually move to a more eco friendly model in 20-30 years with more renewable energy etc… and a decent electric car infrastructure. We’ll do our bit but it will mean jack in the grand scheme of things if these other large scale polluters refuse to do anything because the industrial lobbies run the countries.

    #172436

    Andy
    Participant

    Mold Road Juction to Gresford Roundabot Junction = 2 miles

    70 mph = 1m 43s
    50 mph = 2m 24s

    Oh the agony!!

    There is no ££££ for the government. Only a levy on any driver stupid enough to be unable to see 50mph signs and average speed cameras.

    #172462

    WreX-iT
    Participant

    We are going to solve global problems with our speed cameras so ACCEPT IT!

    Look at where pollution is actually KILLING people. Do they have speed cameras?

    These people feel lucky if they have a square meal a day!

    #172463

    WreX-iT
    Participant

    The media is awash this week with the threat 9f global warming, from red meat to burning tundra.
    Is it time for Wales to become a world leader in reversing climate change and institute a 50mph speed limit right across Wales?
    Reduced emissions.
    Reduced fuel bills.
    Reduced accidents.

    Please see the above post.
    With respect you are talking out of your behind.
    What we need to do is eat all of the cows so they don’t fart and don’t destroy the ozone layer.
    It will be the cows that kill us all in the end.

    and no more cows and no more MacDonalds who are massive polluters with their carbon footprint.

    #172636
    MattJ
    MattJ
    Participant

    I don’t care how long it takes based on speed limit.
    I couldn’t care less if there’s speed cameras in Africa or your back garden.

    The point is the clowns in suits can’t even tell if the changes will be effective and they’ve wasted a load of time and money in the process.

    #172637

    zinger
    Participant

    If they had wanted to keep pollution down they would not have covered the country with speed bumps.

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