Dog Poo and Litter!

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  • #111208
    AMA Express
    AMA Express
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    What ? you don’t own your front lawn?? that is shit mate.

    I knew as soon as I pressed on submit that what I had written didn’t quite make sense Daave63. I just hoped that no-one would notice. Well spotted pal.

    That’ll be what the edit facility is for.

    #111210

    zinger
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    Ha! That would be great if I knew where to find it. Not computer savvy. Correction – have just found edit & used it.

    #111212
    Wrecsam_lad
    Wrecsam_lad
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    Will the binmen get fined £75 when they drop rubbish on the streets and don’t clean up ?

    #111245
    dagg
    dagg
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    If people are to idle to put their rubbish in the bin, I have no sympathy for them or for dog owners who are to lazy to clean up after the dogs.

    #111246

    zinger
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    People should be allowed the opportunity to pick up litter dropped & fined if they refuse. I am 100% anti litter, I hate it. It is entirely possible for instance that you could pull a tissue out of your pocket & pull out a bus ticket or receipt at the same time without noticing. There should be a difference between deliberate littering & accidental.

    #111255

    Katia
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    Wrexham Council have contracted Kingdom Security , a St Helens based company to issue fixed penalty tickets on their behalf to those caught leaving litter or not cleaning up after their dog. Another area of privatisation, the company are advertising jobs in Wrexham to undertake the task. If there is a profit in it for Kingdom one would have thought there would have been a bigger profit if the Council did the job themselves. Wonder what percentage of each fixed penalty the Council will see?

    If anybody has been watching The Inspectors Are Coming on ITV ( some episodes remain available on ITV Hub ) they will be familiar with some of the process.

    Some private firms operate on the basis that the council pays around £42 to £50 to the private firm for every correctly issued ticket regardless of whether ultimately payment is received from the person to whom the ticket is issued.
    One council, Basildon cancelled their contract with the private operator as they actually made a material loss.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21085634

    Some private operators business model hopes to achieve a success rate of over 50%.
    There are instances of people successfully claiming they did not throw away their cigarette, but rather left it on the pavement outside a premises whilst visiting and collected it promptly afterwards when challenged. Thus no litter offence committed.
    Challenging penalty notices in court takes up a considerable amount of an officers time so perhaps it is hoped appeals will be limited.

    There are plenty of pdfs available online from councils regarding similar proposals.

    Those expecting dog fouling penalties to be on an equal level to litter penalties may be disappointed !

    Maybe Wrexham.com could find out if there are plans to expand the role of the “wardens” to cover such things as selling cars at the side of the road, working on cars in the street, sandwich boards outside shops, graffiti, etc ?

    http://www.valeofglamorgan.gov.uk/en/our_council/council/minutes,_agendas_and_reports/reports/cabinet/2014/14-07-28/XFOR-Environmental-Enforcement-Services-Trial-.aspx

    http://web.gravesham.gov.uk/democracy/documents/s25976/Report.pdf

    http://democracy.brent.gov.uk/documents/s38575/litter-patrols.pdf

    http://web.gravesham.gov.uk/democracy/documents/s25976/Report.pdf

    http://committeedmz.dartford.gov.uk/documents/s51122/Litter%20Enforcement%20Report.pdf?txtonly=1

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/may/14/litter-law-enforcers-blaenau-gwent

    #111262

    zinger
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    I smiled when I read one of Katia’s links. “If they refuse to give their name & address, the police are called”. They must have a bigger police force than Wrexham.

    #111284

    MrsWoody
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    I think this is a very positive thing, litter and dog poo is terrible, it disgusts me when I see it around the town

    #111285

    Destiny
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    Bring it on I say. Yes, I’d prefer the Council to carry out this function but with all the cuts etc, there is no way they would create this type of role without including in it a myriad of other duties meaning the actual problem of littering and fouling would fall by the wayside.

    I am sick to death of the littering and fouling throughout the area and I for one welcome this as a step in the right direction. I don’t care how much this company earn. In fact, the more the earn the better as this should mean they are penalising more of these inconsiderate people of Wrexham who think its ok to treat the fields, hedges and roadsides of Wrexham as their own personal litter bin.

    Education on this subject starts with children and if you’re an adult who happily lets your dog foul or deposits the contents of your latest take-away on the roadside, then it’s too late for you so let’s hope you are one of the ones subject to this ‘zero tolerance’ approach.

    #111287

    Bryn6
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    I totally agree that something should be done about litter/dog fouling but if you could all excuse my ignorance for a minute and explain to me how they enforce these fines?

    If I was the type of person to need issuing with a fine I’d also probably tell said litter monitor to do one and just run away!

    Also do you need to show them any I.D? What’s to stop me giving my neighbours name and address?

    I appreciate most people are far too polite for all of that and would rather pay £75 than be seen sprinting down the high street but it must happen.

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