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    Woodland Dragon
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    Plaid Cymru are all ready fighting for all the points made in the Save Wrexham Party plea statment Vote for your Plaid Cymru candidate in next years council ellections, for a diffrent direction in local polotics.

    #109772

    BenjaminM
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    Plaid Cymru are all ready fighting for all the points made in the Save Wrexham Party plea statment Vote for your Plaid Cymru candidate in next years council ellections, for a diffrent direction in local polotics.

    If your spelling and grammar are indicative of the standard of governance we could expect from Plaid Cymru, I wouldn’t even consider putting them in charge of a whelk stall. Dream on.

    #109773

    Dragon
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    Quite right Benjamin M, I couldn’t agree more, personally I think Wales deserves better than desperate Plaid candidates trying to get into local government any way they can, after being defeated in the last local elections.

    #109776

    Council Watcher
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    One of the points on this is that ALL traditional political parties do not appear to listen to the general public jumping on the band wagon of others and seeking photo opportunities.The electorate deserve more and people not engaged with Party Politics may be the way forward. The most crucial aspect in local elections is to vote for the person you feel will genuinely represent those that vote for them– instead of the sheep that feel they have to follow ‘their’ leader. Far play to Phil Wynne and a couple of other Independents who votes o tow the party line (even if the Party in this case are Independents)

    #109777

    Andrewmackembailey
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    One of the points on this is that ALL traditional political parties do not appear to listen to the general public jumping on the band wagon of others and seeking photo opportunities.The electorate deserve more and people not engaged with Party Politics may be the way forward. The most crucial aspect in local elections is to vote for the person you feel will genuinely represent those that vote for them– instead of the sheep that feel they have to follow ‘their’ leader. Far play to Phil Wynne and a couple of other Independents who votes o tow the party line (even if the Party in this case are Independents)

    Council Watcher. – You started this forum saying the last council meeting was a disgrace, the evasiveness of lead members marked and public questions not answered and your last post advocates ” people not engaged with party politics may be the way forward.” Can’t for the life of me see how those two match up as 28 of the ruling 33 members of the current council class themselves as “INDEPENDENT ” even if 10 of them were elected in 2012 with the help and finance of a political party. I will leave it to Wrexham.com followers to see if they agree with your premise that Independents run things better!
    When first elected I asked the question “Independent group! How does that work?

    #109778

    The Monitor
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    I totally disagree with you. I went to the meeting and the only people who were rude were the public gallery who shouted the mayor was a liar. It was disgraceful behaviour and unacceptable.

    Disagree as much as you want. People can watch the recorded webcast to get some idea of what went on. The only disgraceful and unacceptable behaviour came from various councillors. The reaction from the public gallery was one of total frustration with the methods used by some Councillors, Lead Members and the inadequate deputy mayor.

    Are you one of those councillors???

    #109779

    Council Watcher
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    Andrew I think you missed the point about “The most crucial aspect in local elections is to vote for the person you feel will genuinely represent those that vote for them” — there are not many people who can say that their Council Member does this when their is a ‘whip’ process in a Group and nit free vote.
    One line I suppose I did miss out was that the ‘quality’ of the person elected needs to be of a standard to full fill the role.
    It has been stated on another thread that less than 50% of the Council Members across all Parties can even be bothered to report annually on what they have done (not done) . This does include you Andrew as the last one you have listed is 2012/13- why do you not feel you should be brought to account- perhaps the Ballot Box will tell.

    #109780

    Dragon
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    Monitor, I am not a Councillor as this is a thankless job with no appreciation of the work involved, however I do feel the need to respond as this website seems to have little else to report except the negative comments about Wrexham and the same few people with little else to do posting the comments,my remarks were about the lack of respect the lady in the gallery had when she called out that the mayor was a liar, this is my view was unacceptable.

    #109783
    Daave63
    Daave63
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    Good points by all, but lets face it public, the only people interested in politics, voting, elections etc.etc are the ones directly involved – the ones in post, or the wanabees! You only have to look at the poor turnout for local, general and any other type of election going, VOTE APATHY [if you can be bothered].

    #109786

    Andrewmackembailey
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    Andrew I think you missed the point about “The most crucial aspect in local elections is to vote for the person you feel will genuinely represent those that vote for them” — there are not many people who can say that their Council Member does this when their is a ‘whip’ process in a Group and nit free vote.
    One line I suppose I did miss out was that the ‘quality’ of the person elected needs to be of a standard to full fill the role.
    It has been stated on another thread that less than 50% of the Council Members across all Parties can even be bothered to report annually on what they have done (not done) . This does include you Andrew as the last one you have listed is 2012/13- why do you not feel you should be brought to account- perhaps the Ballot Box will tell.

    Guilty as charged on the council report although I thought it was only one year I have missed.( note to self must do better for 2015-16 ) As you say the ballot box will tell and I console myself that in the past 23 years it has told for me on 5 occasions and against the once! ( note to electorate- ignore the Tory government attempt to remove around 1 million from the electoral roll and register at :- http://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote )

    Your beef seems to be as much about the group whip system as the party system and here I contend you miss the point. I am sure in your council watching you have noticed the 10-0 ( previously 7-3 or 8-2 ) votes at board meetings and the way council votes go so we can both guess that a whip system is alive and well among the Independent groups or Alliance. Remember the ” we will support Indepevndents to be independent by remaining Independent ” quote from 2014 and compare with subsequent evidence

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