Are our Young People getting the best education?

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    DerekJackson
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    What sorry reading the latest league table for secondary schools in Wales makes regarding Wrexham. Only three in the top 100 – with St Joseph’s coming top for the area at 51st, then Darland 96 and Maelor in Penley 100 all others are far lower down with Clywedog at the very bottom at 207.

    Congratulations to St Josephs but it is disappointing that overall Wrexham is performing very bad- I’m sure this is not a reflection on the teachers or the pupils as no one gets up in the morning to do a bad job.
    Find out about your child or grandchild’s Secondary School https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/real-schools-guide-search-secondary-13410566
    It looks like our pupils are struggling in schools compared with other parts of Wales- this is such a pity as it means the start of their further education and working life are at a potential disadvantage from the beginning.

    Let’s see what ‘spin’ story the Council will be making such as it is the responsibility of the school and not the Council!!

    #171106

    JaneJ
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    Derek you have hit on the harse reality of many of the failings within schools in Wrexham. Many of our young people are being cast aside due tio the failings in their education. Not all of this is due to teachers as many parents have also forgotten how to help their children succeed – some of these parenst could also have been part of the generation that had poor schooling.

    Our young people are fast being left behind when it comes to attainment levels and no matter how the Council or schools spin the story facts and figures show the reality.

    When there is evidence of poor schooling parents and young people should take the Education Authority to court for failing to provide an adequate education service.

    This has been going on long enough with standards constantly being eroded.

    #171108

    TimRegency
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    Welfare reforms. Hungry, unhappy children can’t concentrate, especially if they also live in cramped B&Bs.

    #171114
    Alunh
    Alunh
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    Welfare reforms. Hungry, unhappy children can’t concentrate, especially if they also live in cramped B&Bs.

    Whilst you may well be correct that these factors play a part in educational success Tim, they don’t help explain why Wrexham is so far down a league in which all of the comparable Welsh towns are suffering from the same conditions.

    Wales hasn’t exactly topped the Charts for secondary education in the UK for years, the UK falling behind other major competitors……..and Wrexham is lagging below what is already a low bar.

    #171117

    TimRegency
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    That’s true, but if there is to be a concerted effort to improve things, it makes sense to me to start with basic needs. An improvement in educational standards isn’t likely to take effect unless these basic needs are met. It’s similar to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

    #171121

    JP
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    Welfare reforms. Hungry, unhappy children can’t concentrate, especially if they also live in cramped B&Bs.

    Whilst you may well be correct that these factors play a part in educational success Tim, they don’t help explain why Wrexham is so far down a league in which all of the comparable Welsh towns are suffering from the same conditions.

    Wales hasn’t exactly topped the Charts for secondary education in the UK for years, the UK falling behind other major competitors……..and Wrexham is lagging below what is already a low bar.

    Seriously, what planet are you on?

    Edit: wrong quote, meant to quote tim.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by  JP. Reason: wrong quote
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    Alunh
    Alunh
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    Is that a question for myself or Tim?

    Edit: thanks….sorted

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Alunh Alunh.
    #171128

    JP
    Participant

    Not that easy to data mine, but look at results compared to National, and LA.
    (especially Rhosnessni High)
    Look at % of free school meals and attainment, (which buggers Tim Regencys assumption).

    Note Maelor going down the crapper for the last three years; that must make the LA happy, only two left for special measures.

    #171131

    zinger
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    I don’t see how the schools can be blamed when attendance only has 1 star. Shouldn’t it up to parents to ensure that their children attend school?

    #171136

    Matt
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    Just looking at the credentials of the data source – what exact pedigree and expertise do Reach PLC’s local news desks (I saw a similar ranking done for the Liverpool Echo by their in-house team) have for rating schools.

    They’re not exactly even renowned for their due diligence in journalism – so people are expected to take a tabloid equivalent eyes look over data to help them decide which secondary school is best for their children.

    Surely only an Estyn inspection report can give you a real idea of the type of quality education your child is going to get. I know there are a number of years between each inspection, but there are schools certified as Good all round by Estyn who are being ranked low in the hundreds.

    There are well documented problems in secondary schools across Wrexham, which have been discussed in detail in several threads in the past – but I feel like this rating system is like the Tripadvisor version of rankings.

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