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Yes the Monitor’s stance is my “Great Grandmother syndrome” i.e. Two candidates one is a Tory and one is a Donkey she would vote for the Donkey :)[/quote]One is an ass and the other one has <insert jokey donkey traits comparison here>.
Done some background Lilly RE: local response to Sarah being the new candidate and it looks like Nigel has completely split the vote on the right, like UKIP did in 2015. There are a handful of naysayers coming from Labour but the majority of detractors are now coming from the Brexit Party background.
Whilst Labour haven’t performed fantastically and Ian Lucas has had heavy criticism – Theresa May has dealt with Brexit so badly that if we have a General Election this year, there’s not a dog’s chance in hell that a Tory MP will be returned in Wrexham.
Labour silent majority – vote generation by generation to keep the Tories out will dig in and retain the local baseline vote that keeps Lucas in and all of the disillusioned ex-Tory voters will be straight in at the Brexit Party who will definitely run in a General Election if they do well at the European elections.
The peel off of Labour and Tory Voters because of Brexit to a Pro-Brexit Party usually goes at a rate of 33% Labour vs 66% for Conservatives. So for every 1 voter Labour loses to Brexit Party, the Tories will lose 2.
I know a thing or 2 about the civil war that ensued for this new Conservative candidate to be put into position.
Bottom line – things are a mess and some people are upset.
This article goes a long way to explaining why there is very little chance that a Brexit protest party could disrupt the overall aims of the EU in the coming months. They seem to have considered this issue & as usual bureaucratic process rules the day.
[quote quote=167173]If all the frustrated Brexit supporters vote for the Brexit party, with only a usual 35% turnout, it will be easy to return ALL Brexit MEP’s. When the MEP’s go to Brussels they all frustrate the budgets and procedures with veto votes. (Like most MP’s have done with Brexit)
The European Parliament get so fed up with these MEP’s, they willingly THROW the U.K. Out of Europe.
VOTE BREXIT PARTY[/quote]Scenario literally won’t happen. Do you think Jean-Claude Juncker gives a toss about who we send to have little tantrums in Europe in protest? They’ve had Farage the Clown sitting there for 20 years, so what difference is it going to make when he brings his whole flying circus into Brussels?
I thought the whole reason Cameron called the original EU Ref is because we felt powerless to reform the EU and didn’t have the influence he wanted. So why all of a sudden would the UK contingency of MEPs be so all powerful to frustrate the Entire European Parliament now?
I see your American saying and raise you a Welsh one “Gwell Dysg Na Golud” – Better educated than wealthy.
[quote quote=167161]Just a cotton pickin’ minute Councillor. The Welsh devolution referendum was the 2nd referendum.
And Matt, possibly 3,999 spoilt papers were in disgust that the 1st referendum result was not upheld when the result was 4 to 1 against the first time round. The 2nd time around it got through by only 6,721 votes.
We none of us know the real reasons why people vote the way they do. It is only guesswork on all sides.
I do know that in North of Wales we depend heavily on the other side of the border for our healthcare.[/quote]
Zinger – it is interesting that the original referendum was a 4 to 1 against in 1979 and then we hit 50/50 18 years later in 1997 and now another 22 years down the line there is an increased support for further devolutionary powers – probably much lower support for independence, but it must be the slowest trickle towards self determination of all time – or possibly a flatline or stagnation.
This is way off topic but interesting points being made in this thread.
[quote quote=167160]If Matt ever manages to monetise that left wing chip on his shoulder[/quote]
Maris Piper all the way.
I’m unsure what the big deal is about reliance of cross border – that is the general relationship between 2 adjoining nations or nations across the world – your basic trade deal of goods and services – regardless of anyone ruling someone else.
Ireland didn’t break when it declared independence nor did the vast majority of the Commonwealth. The idea that Her Maj’s glorious England is ruler of the land and seas is an incredibly antiquated idea. Empire’s Over – the Principalities are doing just fine.
I don’t for a single second believe that in any of our lifetimes Wales would declare independence over England – the appetite and support just isn’t there. I just like the discussion and debate to see what we can work with.
A lot of my observations are more critical against the lack of embracing a strong Welsh identity in terms of voters it is disappointing that they are quite happy for England to take the lead – there’s just no fight there, just apathy.
Look at the shit the Catalans are willing to get into to press for Independence – here we just have a bunch of meek sheep followers (no pun intended).
It’s just the fact that if Lithuania can survive as its own country with less population than Wales, then hypothetically what are all the reasons Wales wouldn’t?
Strong tourism sector, strong energy sector, good trade links between Ireland and through to England, possibilities to build on current manufacturing strengths and ability to expand on new tech business.
I’ve never been a fan of how the WAG runs, I just think because there is insufficient power there or competency we just have a bunch of Joker AMs. But there is no reason why there couldn’t be an appetite to improve and strengthen it.
The complete lack of interest in political engagement for large swathes of Welsh people is the biggest downfall.
Hit me with your best shot.
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Stop blaming others and for the first time in your life, take some responsibility, you imbecile.[/quote]
Oh what responsibility would you like me to take oh Ad Hominemous Anonymous one?
I have just about as much responsibility as you – which amounts to exchanging petty jibes on a small town internet forum.
Zing have you any idea why were the ballots spoilt? Because they didn’t think the Devolution went far enough?
Or because perversely people wanted to be kept under the cosh of the English? & that we shouldn’t have any say or powers whatsoever.
To be fair the absolute % of spoiled ballots was minimal vs the total votes cast. But the fact that it was only a 50% voter turnout is shameful. Wrexham having the lowest turnout of all.
