JoanTheHog
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All, this will be my final posting on this thread. Initially I started out to enlighten the minds & inform others of what alternatives I have discovered as I have gone through life. The initial posting in this thread comes direct from gov’t’s own website so that should say something. Remember dealings with any council are business in nature & no-one has to do business with a company if they don’t want to. Theresa May went on BBC sometime in 2014 & was asked how do the gov’t govern? Her answer: By consent. Hopefully that that should ring a few bells in those who think “I knew there was somat wrong”. Will not post the link from ytube as some appear offended.
Remember am not in any way legally trained so what have written is only for information & not to be taken as advice, make up your own minds, do your own research & slowly as I hope people start to wake up will grasp a better understanding of what is going on around them. No-one has to pay fines for anything its written as a form of protection from the gov’t in a legal world (what I have learnt in a legal world its all fake, fake from the point of view should one find oneself in court over ??? then what happens is real enough but over what is fake, fake designed by a few to control others. That is you, me & everyone else ok your dog’s craps on the street & you don’t pick it up how is that a crime? Some council tw*t sees it & says you have to pay a fine. Stop thinking in the if you like the unilateral way we have all been brought up to think about cost of paying someone else to pick it up start to look at the bigger picture & comprehend what is going on. Where is the punishment in paying fines? It’s all business – money making nothing else) – all have the right to not pay fines before conviction. Put more simply let those who are plaintiff prove ???
As a closing thought for those who want to know more there is a wealth of info out there, follow the links to sites that will provide links to further info on an array of subjects. I hope your journey should you decide to follow will be an enlightening one and YES it will surely be a voyage of discovery. For those that think otherwise just take a few minutes every so often to have a look & see what is happening – you will be surprised. To those that think its all hogwash the only thing I can say is where I have challenged those to put up something plausible to counter what is posted nothing has come forward – there must be something in it. I used to think it was hogwash when I started but as time went on & started to see results of peoples’ own experiences I started to change my mind that’s all. So to finalise, by all means do research this & make your own minds up, you can of course ignore all together, the choice is yours!
Should this be the final posting? Should I start a new thread on what now, let’s think – mmmm I know !
Are utilities really FREE? Good question!
[quote quote=116724]Joan, I dont know what you think is substantial. Judging by your comments you have nothing coherent to say. The proof is in the pudding. Many people end up in Prison by following this crap. A quick Google finds many results. I suppose the Police and Courts acted illegally did they?
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/freeman-refused-pay-council/story-14114588-detail/story.html
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/9918044.Jail_for_man_who_refused__to_be_governed_/
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9795535.Wirral_man_jailed_for_refusing_to_pay_council_tax/
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/freeman-land-driver-jailed-contempt-10253089
“when on electoral role you are essentially acquiescing to agreeing to them having certain inferred “rights” over you I suppose.”
Where do you get this from?
Do you own a tin foil hat?[/quote]Obviously you have been looking I think on ytube to get this list of links, have seen this myself & from what they did in my opinion they turned up to court to defend their case. To me the obviuous thing is don’t turn up – it stands to reason if they don’t know what you look like or can get an answer becuase you don’t give personal details then how are you going to be apprehended? In other words people turned up and answered to thier own birth certificate names – game over!
You should re-read all I have posted so far & deny all I have said, prove me wrong with proper bonified examples of ???
Define for me exactly what is “legal”? or what does legally mean?
“when on electoral role you are essentially acquiescing to agreeing to them having certain inferred “rights” over you I suppose.”
Where do you get this from?
Do you own a tin foil hat?That is very simple, if you can’t see it will spell it out. When you are on the electoral role you have registerd with ?? that you live at ??? and wish to vote. If you vote then you are placing your “power” in someone elses hands to make decisions on your behalf – essentially give away power of attorney. So when your voted for MP makes a decision on your behalf like voting on somehting you don’t like you have to live with it. They could vote to come around to your house when they feel like rob you of all your stuff. In that case there is nothing you can do is there? so you have acquiesced to agreeing to them having certain inferred “rights” over you. – Get it?
[quote quote=116711]I’ll ask again. Maybe in more simplified way: you obviously believe this utter shite. What happened when you refused to pay your tax and where taken to court. If you didn’t challenge it, why not? Please respond with a direct answer and without directing us to yet another FOTL link.
[/quote]This is NOT utter shite, for some it really works!
Have never said I refused to pay tax, enlighten me where did I say that?
Would never advise refuse to pay, ALWAYS OFFER to pay if the plaintiff can prove it’s owed. Could add get them to prove they are authorised to collect it & prove it is the correct amount.
List all links have posted & show which is a FMOTL link. What’s mostly posted are ytube & getoutofdebtfree.org
Andy am not trying to be clever or put 1 over, just want to simply open a proper discussion on a subject I feel quite strongly about. If you want/have something to contribute then by all means do so. To reiterate – am not trying to put 1 over just duscuss.
[quote quote=116715]I have researched this rubbish. IT DOES NOT WORK!!
The Government and Police dont have to prove they have authority to enforce laws. They are given that power by the electorate. The very idea is laughable.
When these FMOTL nut jobs end up in Court, they then say the CPS and magistrates are acting illegally. I bet when they are in Prison they think the Prison service is acting illegally.[/quote]Anyone can put on a uniform with a shiny badge & claim to be in authority. Doesn’t make it so does it? How can anyone have authority over anyone else? unless you want to not deal with your own affairs.
[quote quote=116718]And stop with the ridiculous Youtube links. That driver was not released without charge. You do realise that you can edit video and audio.
[/quote]YES he was released without charge – watch the follow up or are you accusing the makers/particpants that this is made up folly?
No the links are NOT ridiculous.
[quote quote=116715]I have researched this rubbish. IT DOES NOT WORK!!
The Government and Police dont have to prove they have authority to enforce laws. They are given that power by the electorate. The very idea is laughable.
When these FMOTL nut jobs end up in Court, they then say the CPS and magistrates are acting illegally. I bet when they are in Prison they think the Prison service is acting illegally.[/quote]OK everyone is entitled to thier own opinions but for some YES it does work! There are ways to make things go away. I am NOT FMOTL myself but looking into certain aspects as have described so far can see at least for me obvious things, so will carry on that way.
Yes when on electoral role you are essentially acquiescing to agreeing to them having certain inferred “rights” over you I suppose. But what if you are not on the electoral register? Then what?
Anyway do you have something substancial to properly counter my arquments put forward so far? Don’t give more examples of saying this is hog wash or the very idea is laughable. Come up with something “concrete” – if you can! me thinks not – mmmmmm
[quote quote=116662]The company was set up wit the sole purpose of taking over all of the cleaning services previously run directly by the Council – they are also looking for other commercial contracts competing against non subsidised businesses. Is this fair use of public funding?
[/quote]It is perfectly fair for a company to compete for business subsidised or not, even though the council has public funding direct from rate payers as stated above the council are a private company & can do what they want with monies they have. I know it sounds disgusting but that’s the way they work & there ain’t much we can do to stop it.
[quote quote=116622]Sheefag you need to realise that this was NOT a new company they created from their existing staff and assets that belonged to the Council (us as ratepayers).
If anyone starts a business up from scratch they would clearly produce a cash flow budget and ensure there was sufficient in the bank balances/loan finance to cover first year trading one off establishment costs. In this case the Council said it would be zero impact on the Council finance– this clearly is not the case on this occasion.
My other post about Sprouts is exactly the same – nil cost to the Council
Wait until you see the figures for how much will have to go into the Arts Hub over an above the figures shown in the budget it will pail the cleaning and nursery project into insignificance.[/quote]Not quite sure you are correct when you say “assets that belonged to the Council (us as ratepayers)”. As stated in my thread about dog fouling fines the council are a private company just like M&S, Shell Oils, Ford Cars etc. When we pay council tax (rates) to them it is nothing but pure extortion & the council get a vast majority of funds from central gov’t.
