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The Bank was the scene of a series of trials for the stabilization of colliery tips by Bersham Colliery manager, Tom Ellis
That is something I didn’t know. Do you happen to know when the pit started the colliery tip and if it was used until it was closed?
I do wonder if these things are not best left alone. I’m no expert, but I expect as soon as you start to move it, there will be lots of dust across the A483, and I suspect the contents of it might not be too healthy having heard some of the ‘old’ miner’s coughs. It seems strange to have an anti-pollution speed limit on the A483 then let the locals breath in the dust!
Matt:
Well, it is nice to see your views being challenged rather than accepted as the only perspective/ truth. It should happen more often!
Does anybody here know how to use Twitter ‘way back machine’? I’d never heard of it before, and interested to read the tweet mentioned in the report.
On a slightly different note…
Has this thread broken the forum record for the number of posts? I can’t think of any as long as this?
Truthbeknown:
A nicely selected quote from the document. How about this part?
‘If you report your concern to the media, in most cases you’ll lose your whistleblowing law rights’.
A ‘whistleblower’ defence. Well, we might as well get it over now. Please explain how the civil servant adhered to the below set procedures?
Or is it the same argument, it’s ok they broke the rules, did untold damage to the governance of this country and civil service. Don’t worry, it meets our political objective, and we know best?
cmaj76:
As expected, it is okay for one person to break the rules, do untold damage, as long as it meets the political objective. I would have been disappointed if someone hadn’t replied as expected- my faith is restored, thank you!
Again, another selective comment from a forum user who does not want to reply to the whole questions posed. Enough said!
Remember it was Blair who started the idea of political advisor. If you don’t like what’s happened he’s to blame!
Ah, one last point….
In recent weeks, the selective news content of Wrexham.com , and its social media, has revealed its political biases and target audience.
It’s a shame because it has gone from being an unbiased source of local news. Indeed, bastion of local government transparency to its current partisan position. I expect that is why public trust in the media is at an all time low.
It will be interesting to see if Wrexham.com asks the local MPs about the actions of the person who wrote the tweet. Afterwards, give it equal prominence and headline to the Cummings content. “Local MPs asked to comment on the inappropriate civil service tweet’ sounds about right. Of course, a little bit of unbiased description of the tweet will be needed in the article so the reader understands the context and complexity of the issue. Please feel free to use the content of my last post to provide one part of a rounded viewpoint. I am sure you’ll be able to easily provide the content outlining the opposite viewpoint!
This shows the characteristics of the left. They were happy during Brexit to try to damage our democratic processes, change long term parliamentary rules, politicise the judiciary, and go against the vote of the people, because they know best. Everybody against their viewpoint are judged idiots or racist.
They are now playing the same political game with the pandemic.
A senior civil servant, high enough to have access to a government social media account, breaks the rules with no defence. It undermines the very foundation of our supposedly apolitical civil service, system of government and democracy. They are a hero, they should be hidden, not brought to account, worshiped rather than sacked. Of course, they know best.
Alternatively, the system is hacked, a serious criminal offence is committed. The offender should not be prosecuted because they are our hero. Because of course, they know best.
Cummings is accused of breaking the rules by anonymous people. Although it is not liked, he has a legal defence. He is hunted, harassed at home, shamed, he must resign or be sacked.
The hypocrisy of the left. It is okay to break the rules, with serious long term consequences to our government system, or commit criminal offences if it suits their aim. Because, they know best.
Cummings will one day disappear, as all politicians do. The damaged politicised civil service will remain and is far more serious. Do we need to take the American route and replace our civil servants at every election?
I can’t wait to see how the anti-Cummings brigade on here justify the hypocrisy, the actions of the hero, and do whatever it takes to get their way attitude.
I expect it will be their typical response that anyone who has an alternative view is a idiot. Remember, they know best.
AMAExpress: It says to me that you either cannot answer them, or don’t want to do so because it undermines your arguments!
TimRegency: The problem with the policing of the regulations is people such as yourself being unable to distinguish between government advice and what is written into the law/ health regulations. Government advice is ‘stay home, save lives’, but please delve a little bit deeper and look at the legislation and how it should be policed:
The examples that you provide are merely opinions collected by you to support your cause. Has the concept innocent until proven guilty been lost? Is that the world you want to live in? If he is proven guilty then he should resign. However,leave your job because of opinions about you made by sections of the main stream media press and those with an axe to grind?
TimRegency – So the media and politically charged anti-Cummings brigade are now judge and jury? Wouldn’t they like that? As I have said in other threads, the law is so vague it is hardly enforceable. The courts have already found people unlawfully arrested and charged. The CPS is now reviewing all cases. When the pandemic is over let’s see how many cases survive the CPS tests for continuing a prosecution and also lead to a court conviction. Contrary to popular belief it is not an absolute offence and people will challenge the tickets – the policing of the lockdown is under increasing scrutiny and will be an interesting discussion in the future. Quite rightly, the pandemic should not be an excuse for a change in our policing methods or to change our fundamental legal principles.
Cummings is being supported by the PM and appears to have a ‘reasonable reason’ -the protection of somebody vulnerable – childcare. Other than what dubious sources say, where is the evidence that will stand the test of a trial and lead to a conviction? In law, these days, more then the word of others on a witch-hunt, or hearsay is required. If the police investigate it, the evidence is found, the CPS agree to the prosecution, and a court finds him guilty then he has a case to answer, but not before then. Good on him for not just crumbling because of the attempts to publically shame him by partisans.
AMA Express – Thanks for the list. Please now answer the remainder of the questions. Why are they selected over other well-known academic experts? Why is there a failure to consider other models from people equally as ‘expert’? And, do you accept that the examples I have provided suggest sound expert advice? If senior scientist, even those who created the lock-down, are ignoring it, what does that suggest about the real risk of most people from the virus? Are these experts ‘covidiots’ or realistic because they have calculated the risks to them and their families?
Wrexview – a coordinated political response and consensus? When is that possible when we allow devolution to continue, and assembly members to play their power games?
