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[quote quote=149453]When I was younger I had this idealistic view of helping the homeless and felt so sorry for them. Now I am older, I see the thieving, the drug dealing, the litter, the abuse and the sheer cheek of some of them.
They sit outside Sainsburys ( why do they allow it? ) outside doorways in Island Green and are given loads of food, money and cups of Costa Coffee!
Then they go off with £50-£100 in their pockets, buy drugs to take and to deal!People PLEASE stop giving them directly and please give to the charities that deal with them.
And one other thing, do any of them actually look like they are starving????? Look at the poor in India for example and compare them to our homeless!
Ideally, throw them out of the town and let decent people shop in peace!
Janey[/quote]Is any of this from factual based evidence or personal observation?
1) What evidence do we have to suggest that they are raking in £50-£100 per day? £63 is roughly National Living Wage for 8 hours works. So yea most people would be pretty annoyed if that was the case, doing a hard day’s work vs begging.
2) Same question about them actually being dealers – are there known drug dealers begging around Island Green? Or is this speculation?
3) Do they look starving? – not sure how anyone can judge that at a glance unless we start sending nutritionists about to scrutinise them. Or measure the output and do a count on how many doorsteps they are defecating on a day.
4) Throwing Wrexham residents out of their own birth town because they are homeless? Where are we sending them? To congregate around all the villages in the county? Or are we dumping them on the Cheshire/Denbighshire/Flintshire borders?
[quote quote=149432]Giggs was saying in the interview that the ground needs improvements before it can host competitive matches.
Is it not good enough for friendlies at least?[/quote]Translation: we want to keep international matches down South in Cardiff.
My favourite thing about this story is that the council deem themselves responsible for being in charge of the radio and the patrons of the market are forced to listen to the station of their choosing. With no traders allowed to change it without permission. Very North Korea.
Daily Mail – I knew there was a reason why the map had a gammon hue to it. No wonder those reporting are unhappy!
Clr Lowe won’t even come out & speak to the people in Penycae, her own constituents without full backing of a community council meeting.
So best of luck anyone else getting her out of her bunker – especially if it’s not going to be something comfortable.
Would be very interested to know if all the people calling for a speed reduction on all dual carriageways & motorways practice what they preach & stick to strictly 50 mph on these stretches. Or ask others to slow down if being driven – for environmental reasons.
Agreed Alun that it is unlikely to work getting big businesses to pay, especially not in the UK under the current economic and political climate. I was just throwing it in there as something that has happened as an idea of something in terms of tackling homelessness elsewhere in the world as I came across it reading the news.
It’s all incredibly frustrating because few years back we didn’t have this problem in our town – we’d always been very low on actual people persistently on the streets either sleeping or begging and probably more out of sight than it is now drug and alcohol abuse issues. Now we’ve got zombies on the street and we had a shanty town that made the national press.
So for us to be able to move onwards and upwards 12 months, 2 years, 5 years down the line we need to work out like you said how to boost our retail/business ecosystem and get these people off the streets somehow.
I really feel that with the current lack of funds police, council, MPs, AMs etc… etc… everyone is clueless and powerless to defeat the beast of the latest failure in the war on drugs and a continued squeeze on those worst off that pushes impoverished people and their problems over the edge into being everyone else’s problems out on the streets.
Website is structurally very sleek and easy to navigate on mobile (not checked it out on a computer.)
However, content wise they are absolutely having a laugh!
1) As mentioned above, the complete lack of support for the vendors is bordering on an insult. Why is there no specific stallholder/concession directory? Also why are there no profiles of these people – they should be championing them, but instead they have trivialised them.
2) Also when you go to the exhibition section there are no art images – there’s the publicity picture for the current expo, but when you click through for more information – IT’S ALL BLOODY TEXT – who tries to sell a visual arts theme on reams of text? Likewise just text and no images for future expos.
I can’t even be bothered to go into further critique, they are just trying to cause physical and psychological harm with Ty Pawb. It’s the only answer – it’s some kind of town punishment.
[quote quote=149091]So, Amazon and Starbucks are the reason that people shit on Alun’s doorstep?
Wrexham, the capital of ‘Citizen Smith’ stylee defection. Ty Pawb could exhibit this under the banner of ‘Performance Arse’.[/quote]
This is actually a very funny conversation, you have been missed recently Sheefag. No-one agrees with anybody shitting on Alun’s doorstep. I had already discussed earlier that this type of behaviour is unacceptable.
I could have perhaps phrased it better, I meant that businesses and homelessness in the same area don’t mix as ultimately it is going to have a negative effect on business – such as someone perhaps shitting on Alun’s doorstep.
[quote quote=149086]So Matt, you’re basically saying that the people shitting on Alun’s record shop doorstep are just ‘sticking it to the man’?[/quote]
Please refer to my previous post.
Alun, I completely understand that there is persistent nuisance behaviour that is carried out by those that fit into a “vagrant” profile that should not be tolerated around local business areas or anywhere residential, such as shoplifting, public defecation/urination, discarding of used needles, aggressive and threatening behaviour etc… Those are all clear criminal actions that can harm other members of the public and can be dealt with accordingly like they have done so in the past using ASBOs and town centre exclusion orders. Nobody should have to put up with anyone behaving in a nasty and intolerable way. There’s no disputing that.
My original starting post point was that I didn’t think that arresting and fining homeless people for the act of begging was the most effective deterrent or best use of police time for clearing out the town centre. I still don’t.
My latter post most recently about the example in Seattle is an initiative where positive steps and money has been used to try and combat the issue of homelessness. It’s not my fault that the likes of Amazon and Starbucks have opted to act like Big Time Charlie’s over it is it? Had they actually got on board with something for once, we’d all be applauding it.
