City Status decision booted back to executive board following shambolic council meeting

The opportunity for all councillors to vote on whether Wrexham should bid for city status did not happen this afternoon after an amendment to refer the final decision back to the executive board members was backed by 36 members of the council.
This is despite concerns from the mayor that such an amendment will disenfranchise the other 42 councillors, who had yet to even have the opportunity to speak either in favour or against the local authority bidding for city status.
Councillor Ronnie Prince, the current mayor, said holding the meeting to only refer it back to the executive board was a “complete waste of time and a complete waste of money.”
Mayor – who is the ultimate authority – says he is worried 42 councillors will be disenfranchised if that happens, and power goes to Exec Board. Mayor REJECTS the Amendment.
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A Special Meeting of the Full Council had initially been called to consider the motion that “This council does not support a bid for city status”.
The Platinum Jubilee City Status ‘competition’ will see a decision by the Queen “on Ministerial advice” with the outcome decided after ‘consideration in the round on the merits’ of each bid.
The motion was put forward by Plaid Cymru councillors which triggered today’s debate on whether Wrexham should bid for city status.
Speaking at the meeting Cllr Marc Jones described the three previous bids for city status as “deeply divisive at a time when we need a clear and unifying vision to take our town – and the wider county borough – forward.”
He added: “At a time when we should be looking to ensure Wrexham builds on our town’s heritage and history to become a modern capital of the North, we find ourselves having to discuss City status.
“Rebranding as a city would mean new signage, new logos, new websites and literature. All extra costs at a time when we need every penny spent on better services. ”
However an amendment was put forward by Council Leader Mark Pritchard that read “The full council invites the executive board to consider a bid for city status of the next scheduled meeting” which is in December.
Cllr Pritchard said: “I think Wrexham deserves city status and I think it will improve the economy and business and there will be more in investment Wrexham as a place .”
He added that “time has moved on” and that city status will “improve Wrexham as a place and North Wales as a region.”
Amendment flips the vote basically, and puts it back formally to the Exec Board for a possible rubberstamp: “Full Council invites the executive board to consider a bid for city status at the next scheduled meeting”. Next meeting is 7th Dec, day before submission deadline.
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However Mayor of Wrexham Ronnie Prince challenged this motion, stating that allowing it would “disenfranchise the other 42 councillors.”
But legal advice from the council’s monitoring officer said the amendment was within the constitution and that it was allowed to go ahead under legal advice.
Mayor: “Now what you’re doing here today you referring back to Exec Board. We may as well not have had this meeting it was a complete waste of time, complete waste of money” again details his concerns that 40 odd councillors will effectively be bypassed if that happens.
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An adjournment to the meeting was called by Council Leader Mark Pritchard to allow the group leaders and the mayor – along with the legal officer – to find a way forward which lasted more than half an hour and took place behind closed doors.
How long does a meeting of minds to decide what is or is not democracy at Wrexham Council take? pic.twitter.com/M2I5cmYEjG
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Councillors are still sat in a Zoom ‘waiting room’ and appear as clueless to whats going on / what the outcome will be as the public. Seems a split of those who support the Mayor and those who don’t of those we have communicated with.
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After the adjournment and an abrupt late return Mayor Cllr Prince reluctantly agreed to accept the amendment, and the motion who was seconded by Cllr David A Bithell – who only months ago said Wrexham Council had “never considered city status again since the last time.”
It took an hour and 15 minutes for any debate on the amendment to actually substantively begin, which we think is a new record. However after a very ropey start, the meeting did see councillors voice thoughts on the pros and cons of city status (more tweets at the bottom of this article).
Cllr Lowe asks a question about https://t.co/KztbyoICql’s reporting on who said “people lack confidence in their town”. The answer Cllr Lowe is in the report before councillors tonight https://t.co/7NkHwptP4I The report author is given as Cllr Mark Pritchard and Officer Lowry pic.twitter.com/k2TWeWFREV
— Wrexham.com (@wrexham) November 9, 2021
Leader of the Labour Group, Cllr Dana Davies said the council need to acknowledge and fix the concerns that have been raised by the public about the city status consultation and their trust in the local authority.
She called for Cllr Pritchard and Bithell to include details of the benefits city status will bring to the people of Wrexham is publicised on the council website. This was agreed to.
Cllr Davies said: “I think what’s clear – apart from what’s taken place this evening, which I’m still in shock about to be honest – is that there is a real and genuine concern with the public that they have no confidence in this council delivering for them.
“They also feel that the consultation on city status was a waste of our time, some expressed concerns that it was biased and did not afford them the opportunity to fully engage with the process.
“I raised similar concerns at the workshop we attended to review the city states as consultation, we need to acknowledge these genuine concerns and fix them.
“Since the expression of interest of city status was passed by the executive board in July, we the labour group have been researching what positive impacts city status can bring to Wrexham.
“There is evidence that cities are the engines of economic growth, cities expose people to more opportunities and can provide markets for new and innovative products that give rise to new industries and drive economic progress.”
Plaid Cymru Carrie Harper said the behaviour at today’s meeting will “look awful” to the people watching it and warned that the actions of the council’s leadership could “go viral for the wrong reasons.”
She said: “Who’s really talking the town down because this town has a rich history and heritage as a proud working class market and stretching back over many, many years.
“And who wants to get rid of that identity as a town against the wishes of most people live here? That is actually the council leadership.
“Now of course we all want to see investment, we want to see indigenous businesses grow as well. I want to see our markets thrive, I want to see our town centre bustling again.
“But you don’t have a monopoly on ambition for our town and how we can take Wrexham forward and accusing all those people, who disagree with you of lacking ambition or talking the town down is quite sad.”
Member of the Wrexham Independent Group, Cllr John Phillips, said that he been contacted by residents and “not one has been in favour”.
He added: “Ultimately, I am the voice of the people who I represent and for this reason, I will not be supporting city status bid for Wrexham.”
Several councillors came out in favour of the pressing ahead with bidding for city status, with Cllr Andy Williams saying: “I’m here to represent my ward.
“I’m on the ground speaking to people every day about city status and other issues in the village and a few people have said no, a few people have said yes and a lot of people have said, well I don’t really know.
“I’ve stopped and had debates with people and I look at the pros and cons for either and that’s what I’m making my decision on today.
“It’s little bit like a lottery ticket, f we don’t buy a lottery ticket, we’re never gonna have a chance of winning it. And I really do want to buy that lottery ticket to see where it leads us.
“I want to use anything I can to bring wealth and prosperity to make it an even better place to live.”
Cllr Mike Davies wanted to place his own amendment forward, but was told he would get a chance to do so later.
In unusual scenes just before the vote the Mayor said, “I’d just like to say I’m very disappointed that it will be going back to the executive board. Only 10 members will decide this very important issue. I think I feel people of Wrexham deserve their councillor to have the opportunity to vote on this issue.”
36 members of the council voted in favour of the amendment via a roll call of names, with the addition from Cllr Davies, nine voted against and one councillor abstained.
As the amendment then became the substantive Motion, a second vote was quickly held via a question if anyone was changing their minds, with the Legal Officer saying “That means that that becomes a substantive motion and we will have a final vote on that matter. Can I ask if anybody who would vote differently from how they’ve already voted?”
With no one indicating it was taken as voted and passed, at that point the meeting was technically over.
Cllr Mike Davies then asked what about his amendment – and was told he had basically missed his chance – as it should have been an amendment to the ‘new’ motion.
Mayhem at the end – Cllr Mike Davies wanted to put an Amendment forward but effectively did not get given time. The Amendment became substantive Motion, and then vote was taken. So substantive Motion passed. Mayor clearly unhappy.
— Wrexham.com (@wrexham) November 9, 2021
Mayhem at the end – Cllr Mike Davies wanted to put an Amendment forward but effectively did not get given time. The Amendment became substantive Motion, and then vote was taken. So substantive Motion passed. Mayor clearly unhappy.
— Wrexham.com (@wrexham) November 9, 2021
Mayor batting issue to Legal Officer – who asks what the amendment is (despite Motion passed!). Cllr Mike Davies says it is pointless now. A shambolic cherry on the top of a trifle of embarrassment tonight.
— Wrexham.com (@wrexham) November 9, 2021
It is highly likely the Executive Board will rubber stamp bid submission plans, so the outcome from tonight is City Status was supported by a majority of councillors. (List of who voted which way is below).
There is some light precedent that one place in Wales will get the City award, so it appears we are in with a fair chance of now becoming City of Wrexham, as so far there are no other villages or towns coming forward and bidding that we know of.
More shortly.
How did your councillor vote?
Cllr Bryan Apsley (Llay) | FOR |
Cllr William Baldwin (Little Acton) | FOR |
Cllr Trevor Bates (Ceiriog Valley) | FOR |
Cllr Sonia Benbow-Jones (Cefn) | FOR |
Cllr David A Bithell (Johnstown) | FOR |
Cllr I David Bithell (Stansty) | FOR |
Cllr Paul Blackwell (Plas Madoc) | absent |
Cllr Brian Cameron (Whitegate) | FOR |
Cllr Krista Childs (Coedpoeth) | FOR |
Cllr Dana Davies (Ruabon) | FOR |
Cllr Mike Davies (Rhosnesni) | AGAINST |
Cllr Michael Dixon (Coedpoeth) | absent |
Cllr T Alan Edwards (New Broughton) | absent |
Cllr Terry Evans (Chirk South) | FOR |
Cllr Russell Gilmartin (Marford and Hosely) | FOR |
Cllr D J Griffiths (Gwersyllt East/South) | FOR |
Cllr Carrie Harper (Queensway) | AGAINST |
Cllr Frank Hemmings (Chirk North) | FOR |
Cllr Kevin Hughes (Ponciau) | FOR |
Cllr R Alun Jenkins (Offa) | FOR |
Cllr Adrienne Jeorrett (Smithfield) | absent |
Cllr Gwenfair Jones (Gwersyllt West) | AGAINST |
Cllr Hugh Jones (Rossett) | FOR |
Cllr Marc Jones (Grosvenor) | AGAINST |
Cllr David Kelly (Minera) | FOR |
Cllr Jeremy Kent (Gresford East/West) | FOR |
Cllr M C King (Wynnstay) | FOR |
Cllr Geoff Lowe (Acton) | FOR |
Cllr Joan Lowe (Pen-y-cae and Ruabon South) | FOR |
Cllr David Maddocks (Pant) | absent |
Cllr Tina Mannering (Gwersyllt East/South) | FOR |
Cllr Becca Martin (Maesydre) | AGAINST |
Cllr John McCusker (Overton) | FOR |
Cllr M G Morris (Holt) | FOR |
Cllr Beverley Parry-Jones (Bryn Cefn) | FOR |
Cllr Paul H Pemberton (Ponciau) | FOR |
Cllr John Phillips (Pen-y-cae) | AGAINST |
Cllr Ronnie Prince (Cartrefle) | AGAINST |
Cllr John Pritchard (Marchwiel) | FOR |
Cllr Mark Pritchard (Esclusham) | FOR |
Cllr Phil Rees (Gwersyllt North) | AGAINST |
Cllr Paul Roberts (Erddig) | abstain |
Cllr Rondo Roberts (Llangollen Rural) | FOR |
Cllr Graham Rogers (Hermitage) | FOR |
Cllr Paul Rogers (Brymbo) | FOR |
Cllr J Rodney Skelland (Bronington) | FOR |
Cllr Debbie Wallice (Borras Park) | FOR |
Cllr Robert Walsh (Llay) | AGAINST |
Cllr Andy Williams (Garden Village) | FOR |
Cllr Nigel Williams (Gwenfro) | absent |
Cllr Derek Wright (Cefn) | FOR |
Cllr Phil Wynn (Brynyffynnon) | FOR |
Our tweets locally stored from this evening in reverse order…
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