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Well, you may be surprised that in principal I am not against Ty Pawb, or against the arts, but there has to be a sense of realism. Wrexham is not the place for this project and it is also not the time for it. You do not have to be a genius to predict its prompt demise. All you have to do is to look around the local town environment and you will see terminal decline with even more shops announcing their closure this week. This project will fail to inspire the vast majority of the residents of Wrexham, particularly when it is they that will have to fund the project at over £500,000 per annum. All this is against a background when all we hear from the incompetent councillors is justification for more cuts (including to the arts) and increased council tax. There are better ways of spending (or not spending) the money that would benefit the entire community. Instead we are left with a White Elephant, vanity project that will be a millstone around our necks for a number of years.
The writing is already on the wall (before the new signs are erected) – NO takers for the stalls and NO takers for the food outlets. Honestly, would (or have) the promoters of this project invest(ed) their money in it ? – I don’t think so!March 8, 2018 at 12:19 am in reply to: Shame on Councillors to refuse planning permission #145916
Its all very well Atkinson calling everyone who objects to the ‘Accommodation’ Lets put him to the test ! There is a parcel of land in Gresford opposite the Plough that has been an eyesore and junkyard for years, let’s built the accommodation there in his ‘back yard’. Let him come out publicly and state that he would support such a project in Gresford. Let him come out and say he will actively work with the council to find land and accommodate this development in Gresford ! Following the Gresford project, there will be less grounds for councillors refusing or abstaining from similar plans in other areas. Put your ‘Money Where your Mouth is” and “What’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander” over to you Atkinson. GRESFORD FOR THE ACCOMMODATION.
All those who have expressed a view so far you are lucky because in a short while your voice will be censored by Wrexham.com and it will be merged (and lost) supposedly under the Ty Pawb mega thread. The ‘elite’ will have the opening on 29th March to avoid any public demonstration against this project. The Council have gone quiet regarding progress or lack of it. Perhaps Ty Pawb will open on 29th and Close on the 2nd April under the guise of Health and Safety, i.e. Not allowing a White Elephant in town which be a great risk to the pockets of the constituents.
Well said ‘Council Watcher’ – 6 scapegoats’ are required, however, are you suggesting that we have exhausted the supply of hairdressers, window cleaners, firemen, mechanics & pensioners who want to elevate their position in society? Anyone who does apply will be mindless but at least they won’t have the benefit of £32k of council taxpayers money to achieve their ultimate failure – unlike others!
I think you are being generous to the council and the councillors saying they should ‘re-think’. Even a mindless stuffed chicken could see where the markets and Ty Pawb are heading. Most of us could have predicted the desperate (costly) situation the council and councillors now find themselves in, prior to their inception. Now, they are forced to throw ‘good money after bad’ to save face. However, with the butcher, baker, candlestick maker, the mechanic, fireman, hairdresser, widow cleaner and barber in control, what do you expect! Unfortunately it is our fault for voting them in and when they don’t perform on anything but a local stage, we re-elect them.
Vote the Councillors Out.
Very good news for the Town and even better for the council. I bet Laura or at least the medal will be signed up for the Ty Pawb opening – The medal could be displayed in a single empty concession, taking the total to 5 out of 20 stalls with only 5 weeks to go…
I don’t think you have to ‘suggest’ – Facts are Facts and they speak for themselves. Incompetence, whether from elected councillors or highly paid council officials, should be rewarded by a hessian bag or something Santa carries ! They are not immune, as none of us are in our daily jobs.
They better get used to answering questions as these will be demanded when Ty Pawb fails. Lets hope the whole executive resigns by then. However, we can still pursue them – they have a legal responsibility, the don’t get £32K for nothing… Its back to cutting hair, cleaning windows, fixing cars, running trains etc… and possibly breaking rocks!
Thanks for the new thread – Wrexham.com merged all the previous threads – cynically, it reduced visible opposition to many separate aspects of the project. However, in this thread, Matt has said it the way it is. It was a high risk project from its inception. Here we go, back to the first threads – Have our Councillors or the Council got any mandate to invest in very high risk projects that will require millions in running costs throughout its (very short) lifetime? This is maladministration, during a time that the Council are always ‘bleating on’ about and implementing cuts – 99% of constituents would not have taken this high risk with our money as the Traders are not now risking theirs..
It seems that the new ‘rescue strategy’ is to buy, rent, or coerce all the property en route to Ty Pawb including the back passage, TJ’s, BHs and all the vacant shops in between. Next, they will be giving away the Market & Food concessions in Ty Pawb rent free, traders have realised this strategy, so will ‘hang out’ until the desperation gets even more desperate.
It will be worth going to the opening in April to see the Councillors coming out of the ‘back passage’ – a fitting memorial!
In this article Mr Cupit stated “Wrexham people buying from Wrexham traders” – full statement hereunder:-
Responding to a question regarding the origins of interested parties, Mr Cupit did state they were not looking for national chains, rather looking to focus on ‘Wrexham people’, adding the perfect plan in his eyes would be Wrexham people buying from Wrexham traders, who would be selling produce and items made and sourced locally.
Ironically, this begs the question why one of the new large main supply cables in Ty Pawb was manufactured in Ramadan City, Egypt, when an identical product is manufactured in Wrexham by Wrexham People at Prysmian Cables, a major employer in the Town ? I think they are based on the councils, Wrexham Industrial Estate.
The article also states that Wrexam.com also asked a probing question (yes, believe it or not!)
“However when we recently asked Wrexham Council for details on how many stalls at the new facility have been let and what procedures are in place to attract new stalls to the Butchers Market if displacement occurred, we did not receive a reply. We have since been told that due to ‘commercial sensitivity’ details on how many stalls have been let cannot be provided at the moment.”
Commercial sensitivity – what’s “commercially sensitive” about that information, is there another White elephant vying for these stalls? It is “commercially sensitive” because the take up is pitifully low, as reported by the Wrexham Leader last week. For “Commercially sensitive” read:- A failing project, doomed from its inception.
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