TimRegency

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  • in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174857

    TimRegency
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    You didn’t really understand either of my points, sorry.

    The fact that WE passed that Act and that WE are planning to repeal it means that WE have always been able to make OUR laws.

    The EU only has the supremacy over our laws that was permitted by us. You may not like that we did that, but we were always in control.

    And actually, I have no problem with rules that care about people’s health and safety, food standards, the environment and things like that. The EU don’t make laws to wind us up, but for our mutual benefit. We were known as ‘the dirty man of Europe’ in the not so distant past and even Blackpool beach was heavily polluted. And it is quite clear to me that controls on pollution, the environment, food standards are a good thing, especially now.

    I don’t like this silly law about consenting to cookies every time you visit a website, but there are always laws we don’t like and at least we had a place at the table to negotiate. We don’t now.

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174826

    TimRegency
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    [quote quote=174824]One quick interjection – does everyone remember the good old days of pre-2016 Referendum where everyone and their brother’s dog didn’t need to be both EU law and British constitutional law experts to take part in a day to day conversation either online or with family members?

    I miss rambling about the weather.[/quote]

    The Daily Express guide to EU law has a lot to answer for.

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174825

    TimRegency
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    [quote quote=174819]

    Another is our Laws which are superceeded by EU law.

    Nowt we can do if a law is passed in EU Parliment due to European Communites act.

    [/quote]

    Well, our UK Parliament passed this Act. In other words, the only reason we have primacy of EU law is because we agreed to it. This means that we still make our own laws, as Parliamentary Sovereignty remains very much intact.

    Secondly, we have only agreed to the primacy of EU law when it conflicts with our laws, so we are still free to make our own laws, which we do all the time in our UK Parliament.

    in reply to: Welsh Language Standards #174815

    TimRegency
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    They’ll end up alienating people rather than winning them over, if they’re not careful.

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174814

    TimRegency
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    Re: sovereignty.

    Are you referring to British sovereignty? Parliamentary Sovereignty in particular?

    The very same Parliamentary Sovereignty that Boris Johnson just tried to unlawfully suspend in order to crash us out of Europe? That sovereignty?

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174813

    TimRegency
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    [quote quote=174807]

    Exactly Thor, and that’s why Ian Lucas may have the unenviable position of possibly loosing a seat in Wrexham that has been Labour for over eighty years, unless the likes of my Great Grandmother can be resurrected :)

    Are Wrexhamites daft enough to vote in Tories though? The ones responsible for this mess in the first place and the ones underfunding across the board to run our NHS into the ground as well as other innumerable problems?
    The alternative is the Brexit party. Who have one policy. You’ve all seen the candidates. Mouth-breathers who you wouldn’t trust to serve gravy in a school canteen. That’s who you want in charge of your taxes, waste collection, public transport etc…?

    “Can we have extra bus services to the industrial estate?” “*SNORT* Brexit means Brexit!”
    “We require some planning permission to extend the hight of our garden fence” “It’s the fault of the EU!”

    Surely the majority of voters in Wrexham aren’t stupid enough to vote either of them in? Sadly, I think it might actually happen. People have been taken in by ‘man of the people’ Farage (“He’s just like us, he has a beer and a fag!”) and his lies. Daily Mail and Express readers that are told what to think and shout angrily when challenged.
    I’ve seen it all right here on this forum.

    And still not one answer to Matt’s question: “WHY DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE THE EU SO BADLY?”[/quote]

    I can’t fault that too much, but Wrexham has been smart enough not to let a Tory in so far.

    The 2017 General Election proved that the majority of Wrexham Labour voters do not brainlessly parrot the rubbish in the Daily Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph about how Corbyn is supposed to be an unelectable hard left Marxist. Not all Labour voters let Rupert Murdoch do their thinking for them.

    But yes, it’s quite worrying how many people seem to have been tricked into despising the EU by their copy of the Daily Express. They invoke dubious ‘reasons’ to leave while overlooking a wealth of benefits. 30% of our food comes from the EU on a ‘just in time’ basis, as well as important medicines, goods, parts and services. We’re taking a machine gun to our foot.

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174790

    TimRegency
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    [quote quote=174781]That is a matter of judgment.

    And ultimately it will be the judgment of the British people in the referendum that I promised and that I will deliver.

    You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future.

    It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave.

    Your decision.

    Nobody else’s.

    Not politicians’.

    Not Parliament’s.

    Not lobby groups’.

    Not mine.

    Just you.

    You, the British people, will decide.

    At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands.

    This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes.

    And it will be the final decision.

    So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave…

    …would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay…

    …I say think again.

    The renegotiation is happening right now. And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice.

    An in or out referendum.

    When the British people speak, their voice will be respected – not ignored.

    If we vote to leave, then we will leave.

    There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.

    So I say to my European counterparts with whom I am negotiating.

    This is our only chance to get this right – for Britain and for the whole European Union.

    I say to those who are thinking about voting to leave.

    Think very carefully, because this choice cannot be undone.

    Which part did it say we will have a 2nd go.
    Which part said there would be Soft or Hard breixt.

    The deal was the one in 2016

    We knew what we voted for. We listend.

    Remain didn’t.[/quote]

    Like I said before, take the faulty brexit product back to the shop you bought it from. The shop called ‘The Conservative party led by David Cameron.’

    Their referendum, their result, their obligation to to implement it.

    It is literally impossible to just say ‘ta ra, we’re off.’ Cameron and May knew this – why do you think the first ran off straight after the result like a turbo charged weasel and the second tried to alchemise a weird deal? The EU is umbrella to over 750 trade agreements which you cannot just leave without putting something in their place. There are multifarious existing business and social links that cannot just stop on some deadline.

    Cameron may as well have promised to retrieve the eggs from a baked cake that’s already been eaten.

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174759

    TimRegency
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    The score’s 1 – 1. Best of three?

    in reply to: A message for young 'Climate Strikers' #174723

    TimRegency
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    [quote quote=174711]Don’t ya just love these Monday to Friday eco warriors.[/quote]

    Yeah, I do. I also love eco warriors who work other hours. Hope that’s ok with you.

    in reply to: Attorney General tells Lucas (the Gonner) the way it is #174708

    TimRegency
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    [quote quote=174704]
    I am just at a complete loss that when I was asked to vote, which I did, the outcome of that vote has still not been recognised as a fair and democratic decision.[/quote]

    That’s fair enough actually. You can’t blame the people who voted for brexit. They were given a choice – to either remain in the EU or leave, and they voted in good faith. Their side won and now they expect the result to be implemented. They’ve merely done as asked.

    And this is why I blame David Cameron and his Conservative party. It’s their referendum, they set up the question as a dubious ‘either/or’ choice, without explaining or even caring exactly what ‘leave’ actually means and whether it is possible, let alone practical. They expected to simply win the referendum and made no plans for the possibility that they would lose. Cameron then simply walked away and dumped his mess in Theresa May’s lap. That’s why people who voted for it should be cross with the Conservatives for mis-selling them this faulty brexit product.

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