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Distinct identity:- It has successfully built up a nationwide reputation for being the place to be if you want to watch spiceheads.
Civic pride:- Most residents have little positive to say about the town, and generally complain about the empty shops.
The town was once elegant and well-built. Until subsequent philistine councils succeeded where the Luftwaffe failed, demolishing many of the attractive older buildings. They were subsequently replaced with eyesores. This process still continues today, they won’t be happy until every pre-1950s building has been destroyed.
Cultural infrastructure:- The native Welsh language isn’t even among the top 3 most spoken languages in the town.
Record of innovation:- Bersham Ironworks were revolutionary; the Aqueduct was a cutting edge piece of civil engineering and is deservedly a World Heritage site; we were also the first town in UK to produce its own lager.
In more recent times, Wetherspoons has introduced an app that allows me to order food and drink to my table.
Sound governance and administration:- A council that has presumably taken inspiration from the Roman Republic. Pretending to be democratic, but in reality power is held by a small number of self-serving individuals
Associations with Royalty:- George Jeffreys, also known as “the Hanging Judge”, came from Acton. He remains one of the most despised people in British history. He eagerly put to death opponents of the Crown in a series of show trials.
Queen’s Park was renamed Caia Park, presumably because the Queen didn’t want to be associated with it.
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How an Earth a conversation about local GPs quickly descends into a discussion about Nazism and eugenics is beyond me. If this is the level of political discussion among voters in this area, then no wonder it’s in such a mess.
I tell you what I find more highly surprising – the number of people coming across as outraged that Nazism was brought up in the conversational equivalent of cloud cuckoo land (here) than the very real and worrying threat that in less than a decade or so there’s not going to be enough GPs to go round all the people that need seeing in this area.
Cognitive dissonance. It’s a knee-jerk reaction when one’s preferred single-issue political party is called out.[/quote]Suggesting anyone who doesn’t like Godwin’s Law being invoked in an internet discussion is some kind of far-right loon? Whenever I’ve been with people discussing politics, the moment someone has too much to drink and starts making Hitler comparisons people start yawning and looking at their watches. Perhaps some people need those visual indicators to let them know when they’re being a bore.
What I’m concerned by is the constant green light being given to large housing developments that often won’t even be housing local people, they’re out of their price range. Yet the local infrastructure clearly can’t handle it. Obviously there’s growing problems on a national level, but we’re not really doing much to help ourselves at a local level on this.
How an Earth a conversation about local GPs quickly descends into a discussion about Nazism and eugenics is beyond me. If this is the level of political discussion among voters in this area, then no wonder it’s in such a mess.
[quote quote=169561]Sorry, bubble. Labour policy on Brexit has been clear since the Party Conference last year when a meeting of 100+ delegates drew up a motion to pass through Conference.
The only ones who don’t find it clear are the mainstream media who can’t spin it down to a 10 word soundbite and who would accuse Corbyn of a lack of clarity if he said the sky was blue. “Well, how blue? Deep blue? Light blue? What about at night? Are you sure you’re fit to be Prime Minister? Why don’t you resign?” ad infinitum.[/quote]Labour MP’s who are given a platform on live TV consistently fail to communicate a clear unified party vision on Brexit. So can’t really blame the media for this. Seems to me that that they want Brexit in name only, or to push for a 2nd referendum. Which is not what they campaigned on in 2017.[quote quote=169440]They certainly should. The members voted overwhelmingly two times for Corbyn as leader. He then held May to a hung Parliament in the 2017 General Election, in spite of polls and a tidal wave of media hostility.
If any of these AMs and MPs feel more at home in the Tory or Liberal Democrat parties, they should go and join them.
To not do so is to block democracy. It’s saying ‘you can have any colour party you like, as long as it’s blue.’
We don’t vote Labour in order to get Tory.[/quote]Since when was becoming the opposition in a hung parliament an achievement? Especially against a government that had overseen 7 years of unpopular austerity and inequality growth. It’s generally accepted that Theresa May ran one of the worst election campaigns in living memory, throwing away here initial lead in the polls, the polls were also clearly inflated to begin with.
Not to mention many Labpour MP’s, such as our very own Ian Lucas, campaigning on the lie that they would respect the outcome of the Brexit vote.
There would be a lot less whinging on this forum if we were as wealthy as Bavaria, one of the richest and most successful regions in Europe. Also that Austrian fella you’re referring to was a teetotaler, as were many of history’s most wicked men!
[quote quote=151433]Are you now having a go at the people of Gwersyllt instead of the people of Llay or do you think that anyone not agreeing with you is in the wrong. You really should get a life.[/quote]His purpose on this forum appears to be insulting people and telling bad jokes.
I’m guessing you folks haven’t visited the south wales valleys. The biggest growth industry in those areas is the Jobcentre.
[quote quote=150969]Clearly, for the utterly destitute populace of Llay, the difficult choice is between parking and eating.
This whole virtue signalling OUTRAGE neatly ignores the fact that Alyn Waters is easy WALKING DISTANCE from Llay. There’s no need to spend a WHOLE POUND.
Perhaps the only way to get the local whinging lardarses out of their cars would be to carry them there in sedan chairs.
Llay, capital of North Walean entitlement.[/quote]
Wow, did someone from Llay bully you as a child?
I dare say that a number of volunteers and children associated with the football club aren’t from Llay itself, so aren’t within reasonable walking distance. Also what you need to understand is that Llay is a relatively large village, for some residents it can easily take 20/25 minutes to reach the park, making that a round trip of 40/50 minutes. Although I would always encourage physical activity whenever possible, a lot of people can’t afford wasting that sort of time on aimless activities such as walking to a park or writing uniformed tripe on internet forums.
[quote quote=150207]On the plus side you are getting a state of the art main-Wrexham police station so that should help reduce crime in the area.
The other issues I’m not quite sure are specific to Llay only so don’t really think it’s being unfairly targeted.
1) All country park users across the county now have to pay
2) There are several ‘villages’ as part of the LDP who are now having proposed large housing developments put on them. Not happy – object in the now extended deadline planning process. Funnily enough nobody is happy because NIMBY rules apply. The top NIMBYs residing in Gatewen in New Broughton that has only just been built in the last few years. Rules are – we’re so glad that we obtained planning for our large estate but we don’t want anyone newer coming in – A case of Extreme-Micro-Xenophobia
3) Traffic – Yea it’s pretty much busy and dangerous to turn right (or left) at several junctions in Wrexham. People don’t stop or care to allow anyone else onto the already congested main roads. Went up the Birkenhead road on the Wirral this weekend & that’s infinitely busier than round here, that they have 4-way traffic lights on almost every junction. May end up that way here 1 day.
When will it end? Never – it’s called urban sprawl – if you live in the surrounding villages of an expanding town <*insert pie & chips reference*> then eventually it will get swallowed up. Don’t like it? Move into an even more rural area – somewhere like the National Parks where they have incredibly restrictive planning/expansion rules.[/quote]
The NIMBY part isn’t what the issue is for the the majority of the village, although I understand why people who, unlike their envious critics, have done well for themselves and have bought houses overlooking a nice stretch of countryside, don’t wish to see housing developments damage their views and property prices. Although as you said, this is a consequence of urban sprawl in these kinds of areas. But I’m led to believe that the devlopment doesn’t even fall within the established LDP.
As inevitable as it is, the main concern is the awful timing and the lack of infrastructure in place to cope, sch as the local schools and doctors surgery, the timing couldn’t have been worse with the neighbouring surgery in Gresford being closed. The police station is a positive investment, but along with the development will increase traffic in an area that is already highly prone to traffic jams at rush hour.
Let’s not forget that Llay has now also been earmarked for a traveller site. People will inevitably make accusations of bigotry against those who don’t want it. But in reality the concerns are legitimate, and it’s an idea which no other area would accept so has been dumped on Llay’s doorstep. Like a lot of problems its seems.
You’d assume a village of that size, and continually growing, would have some level of influence at local politics, enough at least to protect its interests. Clearly not, this raises important questions for the village going forward.
