Matt
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We can all post anecdotal evidence about how all of our friends and family do or don’t vote Labour these days but it will count for nothing to put any conclusive points across.
The only proof in the pudding will be on an Election Day where people do or don’t put a cross next to the local Labour candidate & the local Lab MPs retain their seat.
I remember the polling prediction data last election stated that with 99% certainty Atkinson was going to turn the Wrexham seat Tory. Turned out to be bullshit.
People who are disenfranchised seem to be overly vocal about their lack of support for Labour. Whereas the silent majority usually make up the most votes in town.
We shall see where we stand
[quote quote=169417]Aldi and Lidl are known to ‘leapfrog’ or ‘copycat’ each other. So, this looks like another 2 stores soon if this is allowed. Hmmm former Police Station site??? People keep asking to see the Wrexham Town Center re-generated. This is not the way to accomplish that. As to lower prices, price battles occur, prices drop, until the competitors start dropping out. This creates a monopoly and prices rise and rise.[/quote]
It is unlikely that Aldi and Lidl are suddenly going to start rising prices as they are a tried and tested success model in their home country. German firms are notorious for taking on a USP and then sticking to it. You only needn’t to look at their car brands.
The fact that Tesco has been forced to create the Jack’s sub-brand to try and clone their success is a testament to how they have firmly created a successful disruptive business model in the supermarket world.
It’s a simple proposition – why are idiots paying 75p for a branded tin of beans when they can pay 23p for the same thing of near identical quality.
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Hi matt,I have to disagree on that. There certainly is a massive working class out there.They may not be all of the one mindset but they are certainly working class and they make up the vast majority of the population,the media trick has been to get these people to vote tory,and it has been very successful for decades.The reality is of course since the birth of new labour the working classes have not had an ally within the labour party.Corbyn is going part way to solving that problem,but the reality is the majority of his own MP’s and AM’s are busily plotting his downfall and replacing him with a bland tory lite like Starmer or Thornberry.
I agree the brexit issue has become blown out of all proportion.The next election will be fought not on brexit,but the NHS and thats where labour should win hands down.[/quote]I wasn’t saying there isn’t a working class anymore – far from it when you consider the sheer number of people stuck on the so-called living wage (cleverly rebranded from a minimum wage by the Tories) and those also on zero hours contracts.
What I meant is that traditionally a certain number of assumptions could be made about working class voters so that they were all pigeon holed to conform to the same belief systems.
However, like you point out nowadays they make blanket statements about what working class people want which quite simply isn’t true – hence the control element. Working class were more often than not classed as uneducated dimwits who were too thick to formulate their own opinions and would be forced to kowtow to their ‘betters’ and do as they were told.
Now you only have to look at how politically informed the working class are on all sides – able to think for themselves and formulate compelling arguments. Now even more so than in the past when they’d have to fit into a 2 party system of “Oh they’ll either vote for Labour because their grandads did or they’ll vote Tory because they are scared of what a Labour government might do to the country.”
But you are right in the fact that the NHS is going to be such an important issue.
This is precisely why a large number of people are utterly bored to tears of politics at the moment because there can’t be a conversation about it without it being about Brexit and then one side saying how disgraceful the other side has behaved. We all get dragged down into the myre over it.
Experience of the real world? Brexit isn’t the real world – whilst so called hypothetical paradigms over the best Brexit or not Brexit are being bollocked on about ad infinitum – people are still going hungry, hospitals are under staffed and under funded, so are schools, people of all ages are actually dying because an overwhelming lack of social welfare and safeguarding.
You try and discuss the root causes and someone will blame it all on Brexit to try and further their cause either because we haven’t left and are shackled to the crippling rules of the EU or because we are going to leave and end up going over a cliff edge.
So if people want real world politicians let’s first get back to talking about real world politics instead of being stuck in a pointless loop on Brexit – it’s been 3 years now.
Oh and the constant reference to appealing to the working classes is nothing but an illusory control tool used by the media to try and get everyone to fall into line. The very idea that in 2019 that there’s a block of people all of ‘working class’ stock who all think identically is absurd.
Likewise they also try and package up the middle class and tell them they must all behave in a certain manner.
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I was all for the glue idea..
That was removed, sadly.[/quote]
Scandalous – should have been made a sticky post.
I always say it but the NHS is this country’s greatest asset and should be protected at all costs. There are major issues with it & it will need an extensive look into dealing with ageing population & those with long term illnesses that mean they need lifelong care. However, privatisation isn’t the answer. There is no excuse for profiting and paying out shareholders when it comes to people’s lives and health. Knocking up vital cancer drugs to abusive levels of cost, charging people for basic lifesaving actions like treatment for a stroke or heart attack or giving birth. No matter how you look at capitalism anywhere else – there is no place for it when it comes to our lives.
[quote quote=168935]Is it because we’re all supposed to nod along with what Prime Minister Murdoch wants?[/quote]
Yes.
