Matt
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“How many of the pressure group opposing the demolition actually pay Council tax in Wrexham and therefore share the ongoing costs of maintaining and policing this site ?”
A ludicrous thing to imply that the vast majority of people who want to maintain the Groves site as it stands don’t pay council tax. You’ll find that there’s a broad demographic of council tax payers and non-council tax payers who have concern for any given issue, including the Groves site.
Would it have been fair for you to tarnish the many non-council tax paying people living in Plas Madoc who didn’t want their leisure centre knocked down? However, equally a large number of council tax payers also opposed to the idea.
Marginalising people because they don’t pay in is an attack on i) the young, ii) those who are part of the welfare state and iii) the less well off elderly. This is the type of thing the right-wing media thrives on and not an activity anyone in Wrexham should be latching onto.
We could equally make the statement: “I wonder how many of these people joyously demanding that the Groves building gets demolished are paying council tax for the building and upkeep of some new schools on the site?” – and when I read that back it sounds ridiculous.
Mark Pritchard masterplan 101, he really wants the Groves demolished by hook or by crook. What better way to erode the public & political support for keeping the building still standing than to build a ‘shanty town of homeless druggies’ around it. Turn it into a place of shame and outrage.
Conveniently it will take a long time to move these people on and in that time who knows what further dilapidation and vandalism will have occurred at the site conveniently adding cost of public taxpayer’s money and lengthy time to restore the building and return it to active public use.
Far better to knock it down and start again eh Mark?
Regardless of your stance on the Groves site you have to worry about a Council Leader and his bunch of cronies who are more interested in settling scores than acting for the good of the town.
They were still smarting after their humiliating defeat in Plas Madoc & now the Groves is the eternal ongoing flogging horse.
What next? Giving the Groves Site Mamba-heads afternoon tea at the Mayor’s parlour? Kosovan travellers stealing all the plum pitches from the Polish caravan insurgency?
Okay, here’s the BBC link on it for those interested for some reason it’s showing up as white, but you can click on it – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40993450
You’ll have to excuse me I’m very interested in numbers, I like to crunch stats. If we get to the brunt of the issue, it’s insufficient as such that it’s a scandal and people are outraged. The problem is getting the ball rolling and turning scandalous outrage (i.e. people moaning online or on their sofas/workplace/gym etc…) into action so far as that someone gives us in Wrexham more healthcare funding. There is no consensus or plan for this to become a reality, regardless of who is in Government.
We are in a catch-22 situation in North Wales especially. I ranted at Andrew Atkinson about the NHS in Wrexham seeing as he is de facto head local Tory and to my knowledge never gave anyone a satisfactory response how he or anyone would get blood out of Jeremy Hunt’s stone (not innuendo) to unlock more funds for health services in the local area.
Conservatives blame Welsh Labour in the Assembly for the lack of NHS funding in Wales and Labour blame the Tories at national level for not giving Wales sufficient funding. I’m sure someone else has a more detailed and eloquent description of the actual problem, but it’s a political football (even according to Atkinson himself) that gets tossed back and forth and nobody is willing to give us more money.
What’s the local impact for context? How much is the rate relief for the Nuffield sites in Chester and Shrewsbury? What are the hikes on health locations under Betsi Cadwaladr?
Yes the NHS is in crisis but we need some numbers, rather than risk this turning into a generic diatribe looking to provoke outrage tabloid style.
“it doesn’t take a lot for the PC brigade to get upset”.
What does a now defunct computer repair shop have to do with any of this?
Aside from rubbishing stats and declaring everyone idiots THE TRUTH, which is a pretty fair starting point for this forum. What is your actual take on footfall in town? Where has it gone wrong? What can be done to improve things?
[quote quote=135142]and why Dick, if he is who I think he is would endorse such drivel.
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Please enlighten us. We’ve got pro-fracking, strong defence of TM’s visit to Gresford, a general defensiveness of all things Tory, insider knowledge on Andrew Atkinson’s home status in Llay being ex council house.
