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March 3, 2013 at 8:20 pm in reply to: Wrexham Markets Scrutiny Committee on Weds + Council Report #58792
@wxm 4151 wrote:
It wouldn’t cost anything. A mutual of stall holders rents it. And then uses the surplus (currently a couple of hundred thousand a year) to reinvest in the success of the markets. As it grows, the businesses get more to reinvest, the success drives more business, and the ratepayers get rates from 100% occupancy, we get the goods we need at the prices we like to pay, and our friends and neighbours get employed.
Great idea. The fun bit will be getting any 2 traders to work with each other
@thewayneinspain 4076 wrote:
remember the annual budget for kerbkraft is almost one six-thousandth of the total wxm council annual budget.
and a third of what the council will spend on ipads for its councillors.
What is more important councillors playing angry birds on an iPad when they have been given a free laptop to do that anyway or a child’s life?
Classic propaganda approach (which I must confess to using myself). This debate isn’t about saving a child’s life per se, because otherwise it could be argued that a failure to quadruple the budget might sacrifice another child. The crux of the argument is about whether this scheme is the best use of scarce resources, and, indeed, another scheme might be preferable, putting it in a higher priority bracket within the schools, getting parents to do the same or putting Volunteers into gear.
Framing the response as some form of moral blackmail doesn’t move the discussion on and reminds me of the current Obama-Sequester line.
That said, I actually tend to agree with you
Suspect you’re right Kylie. There is real logic here.
Quite agree that this sort of stuff needs to be very much at the top of the pile when it comes to resourcing. Trouble is that we all hear the same arguments churned out about all areas of cuts from Remploy to whatever.
I suppose that we are all Nimbys on these issues
I find these sort of issues really difficult. Years ago, there would have been no need for Kerbcraft or anything like it. This was a job performed by Mums and/or Dads and cost the tax payer nothing. The same logic as this scheme applies to school breakfasts where Mums did the job.
Society has obviously changed and many of these core tasks have been taken on board by the state. The state has now run out of money. Local and national governments are now scrambling around for cash. Voila.
Unfortunately, the debate has to be how best to allocate scarce resources, where is the need greatest and which things should now be passed back to the individual and the family.
I suspect that however local Councillors play this issue, they are on a sticky wicket.
The economy of Equador is very dependent upon oil (as is the global economy). Poverty is eradicated by successful enterprise not platitudes. Hope your campaign goes well for you and nice to see your perspective
@sam 3837 wrote:
Whilst I agree with the positivity aspect of youth coaching, how do you convince the youth of today that it’s not right to sit at home and live on the state handouts ? Not all, granted, but quite a few live in families of 2nd, 3rd generation of this career welfare state.
Regarding Thatcher again, it’s not the media, it’s the parental guidance that keep this myth alive!
I don’t think anyone has the answer to this and it takes a lot of people to do the same thing. I can only explain what I have done and how and show the youngsters the stories of thousands of others who have done similar, explaining the pros and cons. I’ve been through a bankruptcy and seen the bad times and the good. Youngsters never cease to surprise me with their innate enthusiasm if you are passionate about something. I am (and so are all the people who do similar to me, with me).
As to the benefits thing, that is a carrot and stick thing.
@sam 3813 wrote:
A revolution – (from the Latin revolutio, “a turn around”) is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time. Aristotle described two types of political revolution:
Complete change from one constitution to another
Modification of an existing constitution.
Revolutions have occurred through human history and vary widely in terms of methods, duration, and motivating ideology. Their results include major changes in culture, economy, and socio-political institutions.
courtesy of Wikipedia.
Who mentioned the use of violence ?
I’m amazed by your remarks regarding ‘so many opportunities’.
Why is youth unemployment through the roof then according to the UK media ?
In your role, what do you tell the youth who wants to make something ? Manufacturing, using their hands to create something.
Do you tell tell them that manufacturing was so Yesterday, IT & call centers are the future !
Tell that to yesterdays third world country’s, they are nowadays Pioneering everything………Why ? Because we as a nation fund far to many do gooders telling use what’s right for the country, when in reality, they know squat diddly, theoretical know it all’s !
Regarding your comment about ” Thatcher closed the coalmines “. That’s a bit narrow minded considering that your tarring a lot of people with the same brush.
I hope that tomorrow in your ‘role’ you don’t destroy someones dreams of entering what’s left of UK manufacturing, and steer them into a career of the fascinating world of call center cold calling or the dog eat dog of website shopping carts.
Finally, please , for the sake of tomorrow’s youth, before you go to work, take a big big sniff of Kenco’s finest blend. Google it !
You’re right about some of this. Youth Unemployment is very high. My job is not to talk Manufacturing or Service Industry to anyone. The main building block is to preach positivity to youngsters. The point that you make about Thatcher is pretty meaningless. The problem that youngsters have is that elements of the media harp on about Thatcher and Manufacturing/Mining as if one simple factor closed British Industry. If she had been PM when Iron declined in Merthyr Tydfil, I’m sure that she not the rise of Steel would have taken the blame. Once youngsters get the idea that there are a large range of careers out there for them and huge possibilities of opening a business, they can move forward. No coffee to smell. the scheme is working and Wales is now slowly turning a corner on SME development.
Besides, none of this is pertinent to the point. Thewayneinspain was merely asking what things could be done within the community to get things moving.
@Welsh Dresser 3802 wrote:
It might be twaddle to you but have the right to spout rubbish if we want to. We are only having a discussion not advocating anarchy!
I am very flattered that you think I have a student mentality. I am a Grandmother so would be a very mature student.
I do not use the orifice you mentioned for speaking as it would be very muffled if I tried lol.
As well, the remark wasn’t thrown in your direction anyway!! (lol)
When people use certain phrases, they have to take care. It’s the Incendiary stuff that saw thousands of young people descend upon parts of London and endangered people’s lives. The same has, you will be aware, happened in Wrexham.
The discussion was about ways of improving Wrexham and I always dislike stuff that sounds quite ‘sexy’ but actually gets no one anywhere.
Now you can be a grandmother and I might well talk constantly out of my orifice, but I suspect a bit of thought about what we do and say wouldn’t go amiss
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