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  • #117809

    osacar52
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    Everyone complains about the state of the twon centre.
    Yet Joan thinks its acceptable to thrown litter, fag ends etc on the ground for someone else to clean up. How about get some self respect.

    #117814

    JoanTheHog
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    Everyone complains about the state of the twon centre.
    Yet Joan thinks its acceptable to thrown litter, fag ends etc on the ground for someone else to clean up. How about get some self respect.

    You evidently don’t comprehend what have said all along. By all means point out where exactly have said its OK to litter, drop fag ends, etc.

    My whole point is NO-ONE has to PAY FINES! What don’t you understand? The evidence has pointed out, it’s up to you if you want to be shafted by the council for fines, remember its all a money making SCAM – can’t spell it out any simpler!

    #117891

    osacar52
    Participant

    Oh, I comprehend ……… You are basically saying do what you want as the fines cant be enforced ……. its like all those ididots that say parking eye cant take you to court ……. tell that to Barry Beavis … £85 ticket goes up to £850.

    #117907
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Joan, forgive me for asking but, do you like movies about Gladiators?

    #117928
    cmaj76
    cmaj76
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    Is that the sound of humble pie being eaten?

    #118074

    JoanTheHog
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    Oh, I comprehend ……… You are basically saying do what you want as the fines cant be enforced ……. its like all those ididots that say parking eye cant take you to court ……. tell that to Barry Beavis … £85 ticket goes up to £850.

    If you read what have posted so far on fines that is to do solely BEFORE conviction – a reminder:
    Bill of Rights [1688]
    1688 CHAPTER 2 1 Will and Mar Sess 2

    Grants of Forfeitures.

    That all Grants and Promises of Fines and Forfeitures of particular persons before Conviction are illegall and void.

    Source: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMarSess2/1/2/introduction

    On that which you raise Beavis v Parkingeye:

    On reading what was deliberated by the bench. What appears to have been judged in this case is nothing to do directly with liquidated damages (loss of income) or even to do with a penalty deterrent in connection with overstaying which could not be enforceable as it is “over the top”, unconscionable for a going rate for market priced car parking. It is solely to do with business reputation, as if parking eye could not be seen to do what they professed it would ruin a business reputation & cause further business damage down the line.

    It would appear way off what the whole of this was about in the 1st place & more attention should have been paid to that. This outcome is nothing more than a complete sham (simply “doing someone over” because they can) of any distinction. Even trying to play out all possible variations of a scenario then what these idiots come out with is pure bull shit.

    It is quite possible he was found “guilty” because he appealed (making a plea as in – am guilty but take into consideration…)! This apparently is seen as CONTRACTING/JOINDER, so if you don’t want to contract lose the name!

    NEVER APPEAL – start by looking & considering some of the pointers below – make up your own minds though & modify to suit your own needs.

    consider this for a parking declaration

    http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=29554

    denial of access template

    http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33028&hilit=denial+access+template+ceylon

    This I found on getoutofdebtfree.org in a post on parking eye.

    “Someone has already posted in the parking forum on this site about “Mr. Loophole” advising people that dont want a ticket on council land to put a notice in the car window “car ILLEGALLY parked NO contract/joinder NOT subject to T(s) &C(s)” that is on Freeman&Co web site (cant find the link though) this is rebutting ANY claims made by council that would stand as truth in court! So carry on as before.”

    #118102

    osacar52
    Participant

    FMOTL (Freeman of the land) bullshit ….. please. You think stating name is not Joe Bloggs, I am Joe of the family Bloggs actually has ANY creditbility.

    #118113

    MargaretA
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    So what should those of us who don’t want litter and dog fouling on our streets and in our parks do?

    #118137

    JoanTheHog
    Participant

    FMOTL (Freeman of the land) bullshit ….. please. You think stating name is not Joe Bloggs, I am Joe of the family Bloggs actually has ANY creditbility.

    As have stated make up your own mind as to what to do in your own situation, all am doing is passing on info on what have found over time. DON’T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!

    #118142

    JoanTheHog
    Participant

    So what should those of us who don’t want litter and dog fouling on our streets and in our parks do?

    Very good question. I agree dog fouling certainly is messy but from my origonal posting have informed I hope the message about fines before conviction are illegal & void. If you find yourself in a predicament over anything that someone is trying to give you a fine to pay, as you have no doubt by read what has been posted it is up to you what you do.

    Regarding litter and dog fouling when did fining ever stop it? Or more over is it simply money making for the council?

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