Wrexham smokers hit with £42,000 worth of fines in a month for dropping cigarett
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Everyone complains about the state of the twon centre.
Yet Joan thinks its acceptable to thrown litter, fag ends etc on the ground for someone else to clean up. How about get some self respect.[quote quote=117809]Everyone complains about the state of the twon centre.
Yet Joan thinks its acceptable to thrown litter, fag ends etc on the ground for someone else to clean up. How about get some self respect.[/quote]You evidently don’t comprehend what have said all along. By all means point out where exactly have said its OK to litter, drop fag ends, etc.
My whole point is NO-ONE has to PAY FINES! What don’t you understand? The evidence has pointed out, it’s up to you if you want to be shafted by the council for fines, remember its all a money making SCAM – can’t spell it out any simpler!
Oh, I comprehend ……… You are basically saying do what you want as the fines cant be enforced ……. its like all those ididots that say parking eye cant take you to court ……. tell that to Barry Beavis … £85 ticket goes up to £850.
[quote quote=117891]Oh, I comprehend ……… You are basically saying do what you want as the fines cant be enforced ……. its like all those ididots that say parking eye cant take you to court ……. tell that to Barry Beavis … £85 ticket goes up to £850.
[/quote]If you read what have posted so far on fines that is to do solely BEFORE conviction – a reminder:
Bill of Rights [1688]
1688 CHAPTER 2 1 Will and Mar Sess 2Grants of Forfeitures.
That all Grants and Promises of Fines and Forfeitures of particular persons before Conviction are illegall and void.
Source: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMarSess2/1/2/introduction
On that which you raise Beavis v Parkingeye:
On reading what was deliberated by the bench. What appears to have been judged in this case is nothing to do directly with liquidated damages (loss of income) or even to do with a penalty deterrent in connection with overstaying which could not be enforceable as it is “over the top”, unconscionable for a going rate for market priced car parking. It is solely to do with business reputation, as if parking eye could not be seen to do what they professed it would ruin a business reputation & cause further business damage down the line.
It would appear way off what the whole of this was about in the 1st place & more attention should have been paid to that. This outcome is nothing more than a complete sham (simply “doing someone over” because they can) of any distinction. Even trying to play out all possible variations of a scenario then what these idiots come out with is pure bull shit.
It is quite possible he was found “guilty” because he appealed (making a plea as in – am guilty but take into consideration…)! This apparently is seen as CONTRACTING/JOINDER, so if you don’t want to contract lose the name!
NEVER APPEAL – start by looking & considering some of the pointers below – make up your own minds though & modify to suit your own needs.
consider this for a parking declaration
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=29554
denial of access template
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33028&hilit=denial+access+template+ceylon
This I found on getoutofdebtfree.org in a post on parking eye.
“Someone has already posted in the parking forum on this site about “Mr. Loophole” advising people that dont want a ticket on council land to put a notice in the car window “car ILLEGALLY parked NO contract/joinder NOT subject to T(s) &C(s)” that is on Freeman&Co web site (cant find the link though) this is rebutting ANY claims made by council that would stand as truth in court! So carry on as before.”
FMOTL (Freeman of the land) bullshit ….. please. You think stating name is not Joe Bloggs, I am Joe of the family Bloggs actually has ANY creditbility.
So what should those of us who don’t want litter and dog fouling on our streets and in our parks do?
[quote quote=118102]FMOTL (Freeman of the land) bullshit ….. please. You think stating name is not Joe Bloggs, I am Joe of the family Bloggs actually has ANY creditbility.
[/quote]As have stated make up your own mind as to what to do in your own situation, all am doing is passing on info on what have found over time. DON’T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!
[quote quote=118113]So what should those of us who don’t want litter and dog fouling on our streets and in our parks do?
[/quote]Very good question. I agree dog fouling certainly is messy but from my origonal posting have informed I hope the message about fines before conviction are illegal & void. If you find yourself in a predicament over anything that someone is trying to give you a fine to pay, as you have no doubt by read what has been posted it is up to you what you do.
Regarding litter and dog fouling when did fining ever stop it? Or more over is it simply money making for the council?
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