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It is not ‘Remainers’ who have been negotiating the deal, the Prime Minister set out her ‘Leave’ agenda at Lancaster House in a very public speech. it has been the Government and its Brexit supporting members who have led on the negotiations. Remainers have spent most of their time moaning powerlessly from the sidelines. If the Government had made a decent job of deal-making, then an agreement should have been sewn up some months ago. It is only their cock-ups that have opened up an opportunity for Remainers to build up momentum for a second vote or whatever other breaks that can be applied so the country has a chance to decide on our future.
Leave means Leave no mention of a deal of any sort on the ballot paper, and people knew exactly their reasons for voting leave or remain, LEAVE won the vote, now LEAVE.
The only reason why anyone might change their vote is because they are fed up of the shenanigans going on in Parliament.
I keep hearing politicians saying that people voted for this & that. If they know what people voted for why are many of them going against their electorate?
What four plain simple questions should be on a ballot paper which would make it quite clear to politicians what people are voting for?
I think a 4 question or anything more than a binary vote would lead to more confusion.
Most people didn’t even understand what it meant to Leave in the first place when they voted for it. They didn’t really consider what exactly we’d be leaving and then neither did they nor anyone leading the Leave charge for one minute consider where we were Leaving to (Britain’s post-Brexit position) and what the plan would be when we got there.
It was a case of let’s all grab these bags that look like parachutes but nobody has told us explicitly what’s in them and jumped out of a plane only to hope for the best that there is one in there whilst freefalling and not splat into the ground like a pancake.
2 and a half years of so-called Brexit appointed MPs and Government specialists working on a deal bringing back sweet FA. It’s an absolute embarrassment.
It’s too late to keep repeating leave means leave and hope for the best it’s directionless. If there’s nobody there to lead you to leave then you are very much doomed to remain. Which is why it is best that there’s a General Election so all camps can vote in leaders of their respective wishes to actually try and execute what they want with a valid mandate.
If there’s another people’s vote – with 2, 3 or 4 questions, there’s no guarantee regardless of the vote – any advisory result by the electorate would be able to pass through parliament. You can’t make a new referendum binding as that would completely undermine the validity of the original vote and would effectively alienate Leave voters who won the last referendum if the vote didn’t go the same way.
‘Leave means leave’ is like walking out of your marriage without a divorce settlement with details of property and money allocation and custody arrangements. Wanting and demanding it be that simple doesn’t mean it’s possible. The Tories put the leave option to the electorate without thinking about how they were going to do it.
The EU is umbrella to about 750 trade agreements. Departing without making alternative arrangements isn’t possible.
If I’m honest I don’t really understand what is so terribly wrong with TM’s deal. I wish that someone would explain it to me in simple terms.
Businesses appear happy with it which is important for jobs.
It should put a check on undesirables coming into the country ie terrorists.
It would gives us back our own laws. ie stops EU saying that we can’t send terrorists back to their country of origin because of their human rights.I don’t have the first clue about Ireland but then neither do they. Why are they so afraid of a hard border? Canada & the USA seem to manage OK.
If someone would come up with a plan that would suit everybody it would be amazing but all they seem to do is say what they don’t want to happen but do not come up with an alternative.
I have never been as afraid for the United Kingdom as I am now. Even when the IRA were in full swing
Don’t shoot me down. I just want someone to explain it to me.
“It’s too late to keep repeating leave means leave and hope for the best it’s directionless. If there’s nobody there to lead you to leave then you are very much doomed to remain. Which is why it is best that there’s a General Election so all camps can vote in leaders of their respective wishes to actually try and execute what they want with a valid mandate.”
Did we not have a General election in 2017 and that election was fought on a mandate to deliver Brexit
JC and labour havent got a clue. WTF is Corbyn up to? He has maintained all along that we must follow the will of the people and leave EU. Now he is demanding May takes no deal off the table. The threat of no deal is the only bargaining chip the UK has over EU, if no deal is removed they will have zero incentive to discuss any kind of a new deals.
It’s really quite pathetic,
“The result didn’t go how remain wanted it, so we must have another one, and keep having them until they get their own way”
There was, a “peoples vote”, the people voted to leave, that’s democracy in action right there.
They don’t like it, but would be foaming at the mouth if the roles were reversed, and we voted stay, but leave couldn’t accept it.
Time for remainers to get over themselves and move on. Our negotiating position has been severely weakened by messing about for so long.
Only time will tell if the people made the correct decision.
Its 2 months til we leave. If parliament cant agree a deal, as seems likely we must leave with no deal, temporarily onto WTO rules. We can trade with the EU as per article 24 of WTO rules. And the EU will have NO leverage over us. We will be able to conclude other trade deals with countries outside the EU. No wonder the EU is so against us leaving with no deal, they would have to negotiate on a level playing field.I have no doubt remain will ramp up PROJECT FEAR again in the media in order to drag us forward. The vote last night wasn’t a no confidence in May it was a no confidence in the government, no right minded Tory is going to vote themselves out of power and the DUP will side with anyone promising them their moment of glory.
Did we not have a General election in 2017 and that election was fought on a mandate to deliver Brexit
Yes, that is correct – we did have a GE in 2017 with a mandate to deliver Brexit, but so far May has completely failed to do that.
Her and her goons spent 2 and a half years pussy-footing around to get a withdrawal agreement that was so horrible nobody liked it – faced a leadership challenge where 117 of her own party voted her unfit to lead the Conservatives. Then delayed and got absolutely thumped left, right and centre with a humiliating, largest defeat ever for a government, by trying to get her withdrawal agreement through the commons. Then her government only survived a vote of no confidence thanks to their £1bn bribe to the brigandry DUP – who won’t back any of her Brexit deals, but will keep her in power so they can milk her for more money.
Now the EU have even stated that as things have dragged on so long, Article 50 will have to be delayed beyond 29th March no matter what as there’s not even time for May’s government to even prepare a no deal Brexit. That is an absolutely astonishing humiliation.
With the current deadlock in parliament, there’s not even an overall majority available in the house to pass a no deal Brexit, EU are unwilling to renegotiate unless there’s a people’s vote or a General Election, or Theresa May moves from her red lines. There is no delivery of Brexit in sight.
So I call that a complete failure of being able to deliver the mandate and therefore is why there should be a General Election – so that someone else can steer the UK in whatever direction it needs to go. The Conservatives need a new leader, because if it returns with her in charge, we’ll be stuck in this impasse for years.
Surely no Dealers like yourself would want this Truth? The ideal party for yourself would be an ERG-led Tories with the likes of Rees-Mogg at the helm, open selection meaning they get rid of the remain Tories and you’ve got yourself a party that is harder right than the soft Tories, but more easy to swallow for the average voter than UKIP were. If the will of the people is there in sufficient numbers, they’ll win. Put them head to head against Corbyn’s Labour – I like a good election. Bring it on.
There is absolutely no point in a General election as as it stands there is no way any party would get a majority to control
JC is useless and 95 % of his cabinet are useless.Any cabinet with Abbot, Mcdonnell, Watson, Thornberry, Gardiner, Chakrabati is a complete disaster in the making.
wow if the Tories are inept, and they really are… That lot are scary.I am in favour of Leave and voted for that and I know why I voted for it. We should leave in March and finally be rid of the EU then negotiate . Anyone who thinks that the big German car makers and such will not be first in the queue to talk is deluded.
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