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    99DylanJones
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    If the young girl is Porcha I suggest you read all the comments about her especially from her mum. She is

    #136407

    99DylanJones
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    Cut off early. If it is her then look on Facebook after she was featured in Wxm Leader. Even her mum says she is a liar. If it is someone else then it is not a wheelchair she need but a trip to A & E asap. She is at risk of developing a clot and having more serious issues.

    Did she sign herself out of hospital or was she discharged. There is more to this than someone needing a wheelchair.

    #136414

    Matt
    Participant

    I honestly don’t have a clue who this person is or what their name is, but the person who was asking I do trust.

    Now this might be a problem person, but since when have Facebook comments ever been a reliable indicator or fact?

    You only have to see some of the more contentious articles from Wrexham.com or The Leader shared on Facebook with the vile and intolerant comments to see why people should be looking beyond social media before formulating an opinion.

    My point being when the local authority line is to condemn people as ‘druggies and urging people not to help them directly, then this type of judgemental and divisive behaviour becomes acceptable and normalised.

    #136421

    99DylanJones
    Participant

    I agree with you about Facebook and even Wrexham.com comments but in the case above it was definitely the girls mother who had written the first comment highlighting about her daughter not having a disability or ever served in the army as a medic..

    I actually am in full agreement with Hugh Jones on the issue of not providing food direct as it could be sold. I find it quite extraordinary that the peole who are now in the GRoves are in a lot of cases those that everyone wanted moving from the Rhosddu Park area , bus station and Lord Street- at the time very few people offered direct support other than the usual through Salvation Army, Cais and the faith groups such as Feed the Roofless – now the site has gained some sort of notoriety people appear to want to help.

    What people need to realise that for many people who are at this very low ebb of the drug and alcohol use that they are abusing themselves from first thing in the morning. Their priority is not food but where their first fix of the day or bottle of alcohol can be obtained. Many will drink a litre of sherry by lunch time just to get them going – still be able to walk around and hold a conversation.

    One of the worst things is keeping people with these issues all together as the cycle is never ending – get them to break away and deal with them as individuals and offer therapeutic support away from a cohort is the proven way to recovery from addiction. Addicts collectively breed addiction.

    How many of those donating food or money would actually allow one of the Groves campers to camp in their own back garden or live in a caravan if you had one and spend some time each day talking with them. This is a very hard challenge for anyone to take up but with support from professional agency staff to give advice on how to deal with the highs and lows of the mood swings of people in addiction. Their own families have given up on them or don’t know where to turn for help- sort people out on a one to one basis and you have the chance of turning the lives around of ‘some’ of the Groves (and others who are sleeping rough across Wrexhamn who will not engage with those at the Groves)- try herding them all together in the Groves and things are doomed to fail and what’s worse will increase the problems for Wrexham.

    #136424

    Matt
    Participant

    Some very interesting points made Dylan. Definitely brings us back round to the question as why the council have ‘tolerated'(unofficially allowed) the homeless of Wrexham & further afield to congregate in 1 hotspot. Like you said in a previous post they have shot themselves in the foot there.

    Because the Groves site is their responsibility, as is safeguarding anyone who resides in our town (with home or without) then they need to take full ownership and lead the charge so to speak and appear to be doing more than just talk. I would suggest that most townsfolk are not aware that you can drop things off for the homeless at Ty Croeso on Grosvenor Road. A more town centre pop-up location (plenty of units on Henblas) where people can go in and drop things off and find out how to volunteer and about local fundraising initiatives would be a good idea. Unfortunately this would send out a public message that the council do not want to tourists that we have such a big homeless problem.

    I think the reason people are coming out of the woodwork now to give to charity rather than before is because the average person is reactive to those less fortunate. Most people don’t care about giving to charity except during the likes of Comic/Sport Relief or Children in Need.

    #136428

    zinger
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    I agree with you about Facebook and even Wrexham.com comments but in the case above it was definitely the girls mother who had written the first comment highlighting about her daughter not having a disability or ever served in the army as a medic..

    I actually am in full agreement with Hugh Jones on the issue of not providing food direct as it could be sold. I find it quite extraordinary that the peole who are now in the GRoves are in a lot of cases those that everyone wanted moving from the Rhosddu Park area , bus station and Lord Street- at the time very few people offered direct support other than the usual through Salvation Army, Cais and the faith groups such as Feed the Roofless – now the site has gained some sort of notoriety people appear to want to help.

    What people need to realise that for many people who are at this very low ebb of the drug and alcohol use that they are abusing themselves from first thing in the morning. Their priority is not food but where their first fix of the day or bottle of alcohol can be obtained. Many will drink a litre of sherry by lunch time just to get them going – still be able to walk around and hold a conversation.

    One of the worst things is keeping people with these issues all together as the cycle is never ending – get them to break away and deal with them as individuals and offer therapeutic support away from a cohort is the proven way to recovery from addiction. Addicts collectively breed addiction.

    How many of those donating food or money would actually allow one of the Groves campers to camp in their own back garden or live in a caravan if you had one and spend some time each day talking with them. This is a very hard challenge for anyone to take up but with support from professional agency staff to give advice on how to deal with the highs and lows of the mood swings of people in addiction. Their own families have given up on them or don’t know where to turn for help- sort people out on a one to one basis and you have the chance of turning the lives around of ‘some’ of the Groves (and others who are sleeping rough across Wrexhamn who will not engage with those at the Groves)- try herding them all together in the Groves and things are doomed to fail and what’s worse will increase the problems for Wrexham.

    The best comments on this thread so far.

    #136430

    MP1953
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    Went to Queens square this morning it was unbelievably intimidating they were everywhere swearing, arguing with each other etc. something has to be done, the town is struggling without all this, it will be a no go area soon and setting up camps for them in the groves school is just going to encourage more to come.

    The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

    #136434

    bubble
    Participant

    Went to Queens square this morning it was unbelievably intimidating they were everywhere swearing, arguing with each other etc. something has to be done, the town is struggling without all this, it will be a no go area soon and setting up camps for them in the groves school is just going to encourage more to come.

    I don’t think this problem will ever leave Wrexham now. Even if all of the current addicts in Wrexham recovered and got rehomed, more would take their place – simply because this is where the service providers are. Why would addicts go somewhere where there are no agencies to feed them and sympathise with them, when they could come here? And now they have a camp right across the road from The Wallich.

    #136435

    wrexview
    Participant

    Smoke could be seen on the site this morning.

    #136437

    The Monitor
    Participant

    The main problem surely lies in the earlier decision to protect this slum as a listed building, at one of the busiest and most visible approaches to the town. Had the place been demolished months ago, then work may now be well on the way to building new schools. How many of the pressure group opposing the demolition actually pay Council tax in Wrexham and therefore share the ongoing costs of maintaining and policing this site ?

    Number 1. It is NOT a slum, you are a troll.
    Number 2. All members of the group that worked to save the beautiful building which is THE GROVES; a building with a long heritage; DO pay Council tax. You are a troll.

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