Will Wrexham Be Known As The Container Town?

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  • #145737

    jimbow
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    Wrexham Council Planning will today consider plans to use 4 converted shipping containers on land at the rear of Ty Nos homeless shelter on Holt Road for temporary accommodation.

    This follows on from pod like shipping containers being used for procedures at the Maelor Hospital.

    Where will this take and lead us?

    #145745

    BenjaminM
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    Not sure what point you are trying to make here! I thought with the recent and ongoing inclement weather that the country is experiencing and likely to experience in the future, provision for homeless and destitute persons would be a welcome initiative.
    I fail to understand how you seem able to make a quantum leap from 4 containers proposed to be sited at the rear of a building to your, quite frankly, ridiculous header introducing this topic to the forum.
    At least one thing good comes from this thread. It gives us all a break from you bleating ad nauseum about the bloody markets.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by  BenjaminM. Reason: Spelling amend
    #145750
    Owain Glyndwr
    Owain Glyndwr
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    It will encourage homeless people from outside of the area come and live Wrexham and the ex Groves campers to come back into the town. They can make their own Hightown Flats!

    To be born Welsh is to be born privileged, not with a silver spoon in your mouth, but with music in your blood, and poetry in your soul.

    #145751

    jimbow
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    This is a Forum about expressing oneself on any given topic that any one person so desires. You do not have to read about the markets, nobody makes you. It is just about opinions.

    You have been off this forum for some time. Previously you were quite often slagging peoples opinions. Looks as if you are back at it again.

    In your opinion it is a ridiculous header but at least it has got you off your backside and conjured a reply. Opinions keep the Forum going. Chill out BenjaminM.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by  jimbow.
    #145755

    Matt
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    Shipping containers seem to be the latest neat, compact and functional thing to turn into usable space.

    You only need to look at the Hawarden Estate Farm Shop on Broughton to see just how much you can upscale it.

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/hawarden-estate-farm-shop-opens-10624281

    I do agree that if we had hundreds of containers for temporary or more permanent accommodation for the homeless you’d end up with a “shanty town” effect. That’s more of a net aggregate effect of clustering a number of “problem” individuals together – like you get with high rise flats etc…

    However, the actual concept is a really neat one. The actual way they are kitted out is (if one was to be well maintained) is better than the quality of accommodation that some young people end up living in as a starter home either through social housing or through private renting where standards have been poorly maintained and forced to live at an inflated cost.

    Ty Nos is obviously the logical location for them, but you have to ask, does it create a homeless lottery where 4 lucky homeless get to stay there whilst the rest look on enviously. Also, I am guessing sufficient security will be in place to stop lots of people congregating and using one of the containers as a shooting up den and ransacking it as that would be a definite misuse of their purpose. I think there needs to be other provisions in place to deal with the drug addiction issues.

    Whilst providing accommodation solutions for the homeless is desperately needed in town, there are also wider issues that need dealing with that were brought to light on social media over the cold weather spell. It was the case that whilst lots of the homeless made it into shelter during the freezing and snowy conditions, there were many homeless who completely shunned seeking shelter and further support as it meant that they’d not be able to get their fix and do their drugs. So local people had observed that places like the arcade had a number of homeless in it during the weekend who had left it in a poor state, including with discarded needles that actually left one member of the public with a needlestick injury just trying to tidy up the mess outside their shop.

    This whole drug blight leaves a massive disconnect between homeless people who are somewhat vulnerable (many of them unable to get away from substance abuse) and then the local authorities who will help the homeless that choose food and shelter over drugs. There are a number of local groups who fill in these gaps and go out and try and help those still left on the streets regardless of what state they may find them in, but much of the time this is a thankless job as they face heavy criticism from both local authorities for not doing things by the book and accusations of drug-enabling and criticism from some wings of the general public who label them “do gooders” and obviously have an even lower opinion of “druggies”.

    If you take the average Wrexham person, you’d find they are sympathetic towards those who are homeless (you only need to see the legendary status of homeless veterans on Facebook), but cannot come to terms with a person who is abusing drugs and all the stigmas and public health risks associated with it.

    #145756

    pete
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    “Shipping container” buildings are all the rage in healthcare at the moment. Aside from the other benefits (speed of construction, factory finished item etc.), I think the main attraction is that they can be leased rather than being bought – handy when you don’t have the cash to buy it outright!

    #145757

    cromwell
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    I say Jimbo old chap, look at the big picture. Wrexham council is providing a secure place for these people to sleep instead of shop doorways which they will also use to urinate in, also, it keeps them pretty well confined during the hours of darkness and prevents them getting up to mischief or crime along with causing great annoyance to the public. And who knows, some night in the near future the the local authority just might decide to shut them in and lock the doors of the containers,, mark them, for onward shipping to Libya and solve the dosser problem for good. So tell me Jimboy will that solve the problem for you, maybe you could tag along and ensure the containers are returned.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by  cromwell. Reason: correction
    #145759

    wrexview
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    Hopefully they will be more like ones you see across the country on building sites, that are equipped with kitchens, toilets and heating.

    #145760

    jimbow
    Participant

    I say Jimbo old chap, look at the big picture. Wrexham council is providing a secure place for these people to sleep instead of shop doorways which they will also use to urinate in, also, it keeps them pretty well confined during the hours of darkness and prevents them getting up to mischief or crime along with causing great annoyance to the public. And who knows, some night in the near future the the local authority just might decide to shut them in and lock the doors of the containers,, mark them, for onward shipping to Libya and solve the dosser problem for good. So tell me Jimboy will that solve the problem for you, maybe you could tag along and ensure the containers are returned.

    Hey Cromwell,less of the OLD chap. Where in my post have I criticised the Council for what they are doing? I do not have a problem with this solution. The question posed for discussion was,where will this take and lead us?

    I have just had a procedure done in the Maelor Hospital that was carried out in what resembled a shipping container. I was informed the old building was falling down and that this was the way forward using containers as theatres.

    #145761

    jimbow
    Participant

    Hopefully they will be more like ones you see across the country on building sites, that are equipped with kitchens, toilets and heating.

    There are photographs on the planning application of them kitted out. I do not know how to show them on here, but have a look for yourself.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by  jimbow.
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