Waterworld Replacement Unaffordable + Bodhyfryd Plans

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  • #72265

    Born Acorn
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    Perhaps the council should stop subsidising Waterworld’s prices and charge people for what they use at full market value.

    Better that than it being closed.

    #72274

    99DylanJones
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    Mrs Crewe – I accept your point about lift provision only being to first floor for the public and not to the offices. The access for staff under DDA is covered by an employer needing to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ . In the case of a building such as Plas Madoc a reasonable adjustment should be discussed with a prospective staff member at the time of interview and if necessary office accommodation located on an accessible floor or alternate venue. Not ideal but lawful.
    My point about the consultants report however still stands at that is they stated there was no lift!!

    #72266

    Adam
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    To be fair to the council, this all seems sensible.. So far.

    Replacement of Waterworld – in addition to Total Fitness, we also have a large private gym across the road and potential sports facilities on the other side at the old Groves. There doesn’t seem to be a business case to redevelop the site.

    ‘Master plan’ for the town centre – good to see Vibrant Viable funding finally being allocated

    Public consultation in the summer – fair enough, hopefully all viewpoints will be considered

    What remains to be seen is will they take the leap of faith required to consider how to attract those who currently don’t visit the centre..

    #72268

    steveg
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    No-one mentions that the real reason behind all the closure/development plans is the reduction in central government funding from the Tory-led coalition government. Don’t blame the Council. And don’t let Andrew Atkinson get on board prasing any initiatives – his Tory pals have caused all this.

    #72270

    JaneJ
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    Sevg – there really must be other issues including poor management to blame – in the latest announcement from Clr Hugh Jones he is now citing the success of SPLASHMAGIC as being a reason why they cant afford to replace Waterworld.
    The SPLASHMAGIC group appear to have been able to turn around a massive loss making establishment into ‘profit’ — perhaps the Council need to talk to SPLASH to see how they have achieved this- it will be a miracle if any Council Member on the side of closure would even consider stepping foot in SPLASMAGIC as they might be proved wrong..
    If you wish to be party political you need to realize that most of the proposals for closure of services in Wrexham are being out forward by Clr Hugh Jones – who is Conservative. It is astonishing that he can use the success of a community project as the cause for not investing in a new pool complex.

    #72277
    Mrs Crewe
    Mrs Crewe
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    I wouldn’t count your chickens re Splash Madoc’s profits yet. The Council had heavily subsidiseds the use of the leisure centre by the public and absorbed the running costs which are extemely expensive. Running a pool is one the most regulated areas, there are constant inspections which have a cost, the cost of the filtration units which have to be regularly serviced which have a cost. All pool side staff have to have regular training and membership to life guarding associations.
    They have to employ staff with specialist knowledge of the filtration units, and water treatments, that is a cost, and one you can’t skimp on if you don’t want to see Plas Madoc disappear in a cloud of chlorine gas.
    That’s just a fraction of the costs of running the building. I’ll be interested to see what the usage of the centre will be once the honeymoon is over and if they can continue to keep the prices at a level which the community is willing to pay.

    #72279

    jackndanni
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    I didn’t even know there were talks of demolishing the baths until now! I really don’t think they should do that. The building is iconic and the only thing we have that set’s us aside from anywhere else! I would imagine the costs to put the building right, assuming anything is wrong at all, would be far less than having to re-build from scratch?? Or do they plan not to replace and sell the land to another supermarket or something equally as boring but more financially interesting to suit them???

    #72271

    JaneJ
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    The last thing we need in Wrexham is any more supermarkets or shop areas – the surplus available at the moment there is so much spare capacity so the likely purchaser of the Waterworld site would have to be housing. Land transfers to Social Housing are often below market price so we should be asking who have they git lined up for a ยฃ1.1 million sale.
    Any retail space would decimate the town retail sector even further – lets hope the council is nit thinking capital gain vs town centre destruction

    #72278

    Maureen Gray
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    Come come Mrs Crewe, surley the disabled staff could just work on the ground floor?

    #72280

    asteve76
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    @jackndanni 18941 wrote:

    I didn’t even know there were talks of demolishing the baths until now! I really don’t think they should do that. The building is iconic and the only thing we have that set’s us aside from anywhere else! I would imagine the costs to put the building right, assuming anything is wrong at all, would be far less than having to re-build from scratch?? Or do they plan not to replace and sell the land to another supermarket or something equally as boring but more financially interesting to suit them???

    I’m in total agreement jackndanni. I don’t believe for one second that the building is as bad as they say. A grim portrait will always be painted if a council is hell bent on demolishing something. Yet when improvements are needed, the building is deemed to be in adequate to excellent condition already.
    I have a feeling that a developer or two has expressed interest in the entire site, including the police station (which is also set to come down), and a 1 followed by several zeros have been offered.
    If the inevitable does happen and nothing can be saved from demolition, either waterworld will be replaced by some nondescript replacement, completely lacking in character. Or we’ll get masses of small, red cubes, masquerading as houses, with garages so small that, while you can get the car in, you won’t be able to open the doors.

    Why doesn’t the council sort out the empty land we already have that’s lying derelict.
    Just look at the St Giles Way/Bridge Street area for example, demolished years ago and still lying empty.

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