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  • #144563

    iout
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    The operational manager is quoted as stating, the expression of interest as being overwhelming. With an expected occupancy rate of 60%, and that is an optimistic estimation … bet it’ll be less than 40% by the close of the second financial trading year.

    #144572

    Jimbow – You could have a prophecy there – Will it be Wrexham’s own Echo Arena or Grenfell Tower. I was stunned to see the progress photographs and the fact that it is ALL made of WOOD ! – A maze of floor to ceiling false partitions and facades housing cables/services etc. There is also the possibility (however remote) of food preparation, flames and heat…
    Onto the Echo arena – is the Multi-Story car park above Ty Pawb equipped with sprinklers? The absence of this facility is blamed for the Liverpool Echo Arena car park fire (which had no extremely popular metropolis underneath). The fitting of sprinklers will be the next ‘unexpected’ expense to ensure that the millions of visitors and staff are protected from a fire above the ‘wooden’ Ty Pawb.

    #144573

    In this article Mr Cupit stated “Wrexham people buying from Wrexham traders” – full statement hereunder:-

    Responding to a question regarding the origins of interested parties, Mr Cupit did state they were not looking for national chains, rather looking to focus on ‘Wrexham people’, adding the perfect plan in his eyes would be Wrexham people buying from Wrexham traders, who would be selling produce and items made and sourced locally.

    Ironically, this begs the question why one of the new large main supply cables in Ty Pawb was manufactured in Ramadan City, Egypt, when an identical product is manufactured in Wrexham by Wrexham People at Prysmian Cables, a major employer in the Town ? I think they are based on the councils, Wrexham Industrial Estate.

    The article also states that Wrexam.com also asked a probing question (yes, believe it or not!)
    This was:
    “However when we recently asked Wrexham Council for details on how many stalls at the new facility have been let and what procedures are in place to attract new stalls to the Butchers Market if displacement occurred, we did not receive a reply. We have since been told that due to ‘commercial sensitivity’ details on how many stalls have been let cannot be provided at the moment.”

    Commercial sensitivity – what’s “commercially sensitive” about that information, is there another White elephant vying for these stalls? It is “commercially sensitive” because the take up is pitifully low, as reported by the Wrexham Leader last week. For “Commercially sensitive” read:- A failing project, doomed from its inception.

    #144575

    jimbow
    Participant

    In this article Mr Cupit stated “Wrexham people buying from Wrexham traders” – full statement hereunder:

    Commercial sensitivity – what’s “commercially sensitive” about that information, is there another White elephant vying for these stalls? It is “commercially sensitive” because the take up is pitifully low, as reported by the Wrexham Leader last week. For “Commercially sensitive” read:- A failing project, doomed from its inception.

    “Commercially Sensitive” could mean that the Council are offering cut price deals to traders, in order for them to take up the stalls and increase occupation levels.

    #144605
    Rob
    Rob
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    I have just merged a few threads into this single mega thread :)

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    #144622

    Council Watcher
    Participant

    During the opening it is bound to have 100% occupancy – this being achieved the same as the old Peoples Market when traders took over the empty spaces adjoining their legitimate stalls. This meant that it appeared to be almost full when it just had space fillers. Or different Council Departments will have their own stalls to promote their Departments to hide empty spaces.

    Regarding the car park – a building condition report was produced approx 5 years ago that came up with a requirement for nearly £25k to be spent to bring it up to the standard to get a Car Park Quality Mark- there were issues with the lighting, fire alarm, flooring to name but a few– none of this work is covered by the current contractor in any future budget. It was at this time that ‘Tell-tales’ were also placed around the building to measure subsidence and wall movement

    #144625

    jimbow
    Participant

    Stalls in the Ty Pawb are either 24 or 32m2. This is considerably greater in size than the standard size stall of the old Peoples Market. Stallholders relocating back to Ty Pawb are being asked to pay on average, half as much more rent and services than they did before.

    There again they will receive 64 hours of trading time instead of as before around 48 hours.

    #144632

    Council Watcher
    Participant

    The issue over longer hours is interesting- the target for the stalls as per the Arts Council funding was based on ‘Arts and Crafts’. Many of these traders are likely to be one person businesses – are they physically going to be able to trade for 64 hours- having staff will mean a cost that potentially will be too expensive.

    Also, has anyone seen how many hours and days a week each stallholder has to stay open — if visitors are being attracted but only 50% of the stalls are open what kind of impression would that give to people being encouraged to make repeat visits.

    #144636
    Councillor X
    Councillor X
    Participant

    I was posting this under the Ty Pawb post but thought it important to revisit past glory.
    The big draw to Wrexham was it’s Monday market on Eagles Meadow. People would visit it and walk into town.
    The Butter market and lambpit street shops were knocked down and car park lost to make way for a now abandonded shop complex. The Hippodrome shut and was left to burn. That part of town is dead.
    So Wrexham has lost its trade but traders are still interested in becoming marketeers in an art galary that few people are expected to visit ……

    Good luck Ty Pawb I really hope you succeed against all odds.

    A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom.

    #144637

    Matt
    Participant

    The issue over longer hours is interesting- the target for the stalls as per the Arts Council funding was based on ‘Arts and Crafts’. Many of these traders are likely to be one person businesses – are they physically going to be able to trade for 64 hours- having staff will mean a cost that potentially will be too expensive.

    Also, has anyone seen how many hours and days a week each stallholder has to stay open — if visitors are being attracted but only 50% of the stalls are open what kind of impression would that give to people being encouraged to make repeat visits.

    You raise some very good points.

    Back in December Clr Jones made comments about who they were claiming they were touting would be taking up market stall space:

    http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/home/2017/12/13/gallery/councillor-defends-benefits-new-multi-million-pound-arts-hub-will-bring-to-wrexham-102241/

    “Ty Pawb will also bring jobs to Wrexham. In terms of the market element, it will provide an opportunity for start-up businesses from university and college students to develop their skills.”

    Now what 18-19 year olds from Coleg Cambria who still live at home with parents or 20-somethings up to their eyeballs in debt and still studying for a degree are they expecting to be able to acquire the start-up money through savings or go to the Bank manager with a fully fledged business plan with no previous commercial experience to get a loan. All to get a jumbo sized market stall where they propose to work 64 hours a week whilst in full time study?

    Something tells me Clr Jones just wanted to get a good soundbite at the time but forgets that published stories stay on the internet for a long time and end up sounding ridiculous in retrospect.

    I also query the job creation element of that claim if it’s the case that existing traders are just moving back in. No new jobs are being created and the markets are just getting thinned out again.

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