The Groves School – Structure and Condition

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  • #106732

    Rohelendus
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    “It stands to reason” … reason would be in precise costings, not in bald statements.

    Yes… look at Eagles Meadow, a monstrosity in whatever location it was ‘dropped’.

    Shrugs, each to his own, but mark my words in respect to the future changeover in councillors.

    #106740

    wrexview
    Participant

    Councillor X probably feels safe, not all Councillors face elections !

    #106756

    99DylanJones
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    Why do so many people make assumptions about cost of demolition, saving and re use- the only ones who probably have any realism on the figures will be Coleg Cambria who had got to design plan stage and undoubtedly costings. Why don’t the Council ‘buy’ these plans and make the assessment whether they could be adapted for a school instead of a college- if the building was in a stable state 3 months ago what has deteriorated so quickly.

    Answer — is this part of the contract savings work that PWC have submitted — how much are they being paid if the building is pulled down- £20k – £30k!!

    Will the Councillors on this thread ask their Executive Colleagues and Officers about their plans with the Faith Schools of St Joseph s, St Giles and St Mary’s– are they insisting on a flat site to move onto – if they take up their option why cant they look at preserving the building and utilising some of the plan proposals for the Coleg Cambria design.

    There are still some elements of this rushed proposal that have not yet been put into the public domain– WHY?

    #106765

    Rohelendus
    Participant

    [quote quote=106756]Why do so many people make assumptions about cost of demolition, saving and re use- the only ones who probably have any realism on the figures will be Coleg Cambria who had got to design plan stage and undoubtedly costings. Why don’t the Council ‘buy’ these plans and make the assessment whether they could be adapted for a school instead of a college- if the building was in a stable state 3 months ago what has deteriorated so quickly.

    Answer — is this part of the contract savings work that PWC have submitted — how much are they being paid if the building is pulled down- £20k – £30k!!

    Will the Councillors on this thread ask their Executive Colleagues and Officers about their plans with the Faith Schools of St Joseph s, St Giles and St Mary’s– are they insisting on a flat site to move onto – if they take up their option why cant they look at preserving the building and utilising some of the plan proposals for the Coleg Cambria design.

    There are still some elements of this rushed proposal that have not yet been put into the public domain– WHY?

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    99DylanJones, very Good points and Good questions that deserve truthful answers.

    #106905

    Dragon
    Participant

    Waste of taxpayers money, mothball in a school for 14 years at a cost of £900,000.

    #106906

    Rohelendus
    Participant

    Dragon,
    Can you prove that figure?

    It appears that no analysis of this claimed expense is forthcoming.

    Recently a figure of £35,000 per year was given out by the council.
    Considering that virtually all buildings take time to deteriorate if
    left vacant and that for the first 3 years little deterioration will
    actually take place.
    Then the figure would calculate out at:
    10 years at £35,000 giving a total expense of £350,000, not £900,000,
    but there again there is no explanation of how the figure of £35,000
    was reached!

    #106908

    Dragon
    Participant

    It was published in the local press. That £900,000 has been spent on it in the 14years. I’m sure they wouldn’t print information that is not true.

    #106916

    Alunh
    Participant

    You are actually making a non argument Dragon because the money, even if it was as stated, was spent whilst Wrexham CBC tried to circumvent the Covenant to cash this plot in big style. Opportunities have come and gone to turn the plot over to Educational purposes and, as with the Yale scenario, shied away from.

    The Council’s only real concern at the moment is whether it is better to build a school from ground zero or convert the existing plot. Personally, if the projected spending gap is not horrendous, please preserve the beautiful building

    #106930

    Transportuser
    Participant

    The on line video showed rooms of various sizes, including an exceptional hall, with stage.
    An impressive entrance area, and a very pleasing external appearance.
    Looks like a candidate for an Arts Hub, to me.

    Good parking and access, no problem for loading in equipment for events, no height restrictions for vehicles.
    The many, and varied rooms could accommodate small arts/craft workshops and there could be on site training facilities – so the education aspect would be retained.

    Seems a bit of a no brainer, or have I missed something?

    We have the expertise locally to provide all that is needed but, I suspect, whatever happens with this, or the possible People’s market conversion, will involve companies being brought from out of the area to do the work and the consultation/design work will likewise be undertaken by those who have no connection with, or understanding of, what the town needs or wants.

    At the end of the day locals will feel little connection with the project and a chance for long term stability will have been missed.

    #106932

    Dragon
    Participant

    Hi Transport user, there’s a covenant on the groves for education and it can’t be removed.

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