The Groves School – Structure and Condition

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  • #118439

    99DylanJones
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    So the Council Executive are going into secrecy mode again!!
    The two reasons normally given for Part 2 items are 1) if there is a commercial interest that would make a public meeting detrimental to a potential contract or 2) there is identifiable personnel related to HR matters.
    Unless the Council are going to pull something our of the hat 1(certainly does not apply and 2) is a non starter- so what is now going on?

    #118440
    Rob
    Rob
    Keymaster

    My guess, and I would stress it is a total guess, is either a legal challenge is being considered / put forward as an option or it is a discussion on the impact on finances etc both possible under Part 2 ?

    This is based off previous comments on the below link, however the answer given during that speech indicated any challenge would have come before the listing decision itself.

    It was also noted, and could explain the quick and very unusual meeting step, “Cllr Williams did mention that future steps, if listed, could include a future report to Councillors on where funding could come from to preserve the building.

    Council ‘Wont Cave In To Welsh Government Pressure’ Over Possible Groves Listing

    (Wrexham.com'er - email us on news@wrexham.com)

    #118772

    Stoneagle
    Participant

    Wrexham Council again showing the degree of their “commitment” to transparency; listening to the people who pay their Council Tax to fund everything; respect for the opinions of others who might differ from theirs and being in touch with the views of local people. Pompous, blinkered and ignorant.

    #118796
    Councillor X
    Councillor X
    Participant

    Wrexham Council again showing the degree of their “commitment” to transparency; listening to the people who pay their Council Tax to fund everything; respect for the opinions of others who might differ from theirs and being in touch with the views of local people. Pompous, blinkered and ignorant.

    Local Councillors are elected by the community to decide how the council should carry out its various activities. They represent public interest as well as individuals living within the ward in which he or she has been elected to serve a term of office.

    They have regular contact with the general public through council meetings, telephone calls or surgeries. Surgeries provide an opportunity for any ward resident to go and talk to their councillor face to face and these take place on a regular basis.
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    If you don’t agree, vote them out!! They are acting in YOUR best interests in all matters and you should be giving them your support, not turning on them if you don’t like something.

    What do you want to do, have a BREXIT style vote whenever something emotionally charged (like the Groves) rears its head? You voted them in and therefore you should trust in them and support their decisions.

    A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom.

    #118826

    Council Watcher
    Participant

    Councillor X – your statement about about what a Councillor should be doing is fine in principle about representation — what you have however failed to address is stubbornness, face saving, party political factions, and the ploy of trying to get one over on someone or some organisation. The ultimate overlook is ‘self preservation’ of a Councillor.

    Let us hope that there are new people putting themselves forward in next years elections in May.

    #118853

    wrexview
    Participant

    How much is an appeal going to cost? I trust they have carefully considered this aspect of an appeal and not just had a knee jerk reaction to a decision the Executive Board did not want.

    #118854

    wrexview
    Participant

    Press release ready before the meeting takes place? What has happened to democracy in Wrexham Council?

    #118865

    wrexview
    Participant

    “Information, criteria and the application form in relation to the 2017-18 funding round for the Historic Buildings Grant will be available here on 1 November 2016.

    Private owners of domestic dwellings, unless they are open to the public regularly will not be eligible for this grant. The focus for Cadw’s future grant giving will be on historic building repair schemes which will help save listed buildings that are at risk and/or stimulate regeneration opportunities and deliver benefits to Welsh communities. One of the ways in which these benefits can be provided is through skills development and access opportunities. You will find more information about this in ‘Grants for Historic Assets: Skills development and access opportunities.’”

    Quote from CADW site

    They stipulate money to ” help save listed buildings” surely a well written application by Wrexham Council could secure funding to “save the Groves building ” until they get funding from the 21st Century Schools fund. We have already seen excellent drawings for a remodel created by Coleg Cambria and the town has a number of remodelled primary schools in St. GIles and Victoria schools. If there was a willingness on the part of the Council to embrace the listing decision a way forward would be found.

    #118869

    Andrewmackembailey
    Participant

    Wrexham Council again showing the degree of their “commitment” to transparency; listening to the people who pay their Council Tax to fund everything; respect for the opinions of others who might differ from theirs and being in touch with the views of local people. Pompous, blinkered and ignorant.

    Local Councillors are elected by the community to decide how the council should carry out its various activities. They represent public interest as well as individuals living within the ward in which he or she has been elected to serve a term of office.

    They have regular contact with the general public through council meetings, telephone calls or surgeries. Surgeries provide an opportunity for any ward resident to go and talk to their councillor face to face and these take place on a regular basis.
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    If you don’t agree, vote them out!! They are acting in YOUR best interests in all matters and you should be giving them your support, not turning on them if you don’t like something.

    What do you want to do, have a BREXIT style vote whenever something emotionally charged (like the Groves) rears its head? You voted them in and therefore you should trust in them and support their decisions.

    hi Councillor X I admire your efforts to increase voter participation. Yes councillors are elected for a term of office and you then ,as you say , have a chance to vote them out. When candidates put themselves forward they often put forward what they intend to do in their term and how the will work with others to implement what they are standing on- it is called a MANIFESTO. Unfortunately 10 current members burned their manifesto promises 2 years ago ( one earlier this year )and none has seen fit to test their new manifesto with the public who elected them. This negation of democracy is the sole reason this current administration came to the positions they hold and is a non democratic basis for power.

    “A structure based on false foundations will ultimately fall.”

    #118881

    wrexview
    Participant

    The cost of removing the asbestos would have been paid out whatever the outcome , demolition or remodelling. The question is why the Council didn’t see the need to remove the asbestos before.

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