Thank Goodness for Boris – My Prime Minister

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    Anonymous
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    Well, the one indisputable point is that Boris, and only Boris, is the one political commentator
    who can really relate to, and speak of, the near death experience of Covid19. Anyone else is merely a spectator. Listen to him, with no axe the grind or political step to try to climb. He is a true hero.

    #185853

    MargaretA
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    Mr Johnson a hero? Funny definition to give someone who, having told everyone to work from home, carried on holding Cabinet meetings in a closed room.
    Yes, he became ill and yes, he recovered, thanks to the NHS. The same NHS which were told the shortage of PPE was because staff were not using it wisely.
    What’s happened to testing? Is it happening? Where? Who is being tested? Testing centres dotted around England was a London based idea. Never mind that some workers didn’t have the means to travel to the centre, it is foolish to expect someone to drive a distance with a raised temperature and other symptoms. Why is it taking days to get test results? Why are test swabs being sent to America? Why has happened to the UK facilities for testing? Is it just that we’ve been led to expect far more than it was possible to deliver?
    I felt confident at the start that the Westminster Government working with the devolved ministers would move decisively forward. We would learn from other countries, so we wouldn’t have the problem that Spain had with it’s carehomes, that we would stop people entering the country. But no.
    So we are where we are.
    Stay home, stay safe for the time being anyway.

    #185858

    Truthbeknown
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    Margaret, don’t blame Boris for anything to do with our health service. Our Devolved Welsh parliament is accountable for all of Wales. Welsh testing or non testing a better term is the responsibility of Public Health Wales. We cant blame Boris for all tests at Wrexham having to be taken down to Cardiff to be checked as we dont have (unless its finally opened) have a testing centre up North. PPE is the responsibility of PHW,as is the severe Welsh care home problems with not being tested, until a back track from Mark Drakeford, another PWH disgrace.

    Boris has and will make mistakes but not the mistakes for Wales, PHW has to take responsibility for them and they are far from perfect.

    #185876

    JaneJ
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    It is a pity some readers on the thread dint read all comments that are posted- stop trying to make this Party Political or Nation against nation. Covid knows no boundary – physical, culture, age, or any other criteria.

    The people who play the biggest part in our survival are the public – but they need the confidence in the information being provided is accurate and reliable – information that may come out of the mouths of politicians but is generated by scientists. Surely it is the door of Scientists that all of this should be laid and compare the science behind the political actions. Are our scientists that far apart with what they we should be doing… surely no politician is going to risk making statements without the scientific basis to do so.
    There are only two things that can happen to us all we either survive and live on or we become another of the daily death statistics- I certainly do not want to be one of the latter. My time will come sometime to die but let it not come early because I have been ill advised.

    #185899

    Matt
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    I think the problem is Jane that the politicians themselves have made this party political and nation against nation, so the general public can hardly be expected to sit dumbfounded and not express their own opinion amongst their own party, nationality leaning.

    It’s a bit like during a vicious divorce battle and the mum and dad are arguing and the child gets dragged into it and is forced to pick sides. On this instance mum is saying stay indoors and be careful and dad looks visibly dishevelled after he’s rolled in from the pub at 2am and is encouraging you to go and juggle knives on an electrified train track.

    It also doesn’t help that the Tory Party Machine and attack dogs and The Right Wing Press have whipped up their proud boys like Votethecouncillorsout to come and make direct inflammatory attacks on Welsh democracy and actively encouraging people to defy the rule of law. This is abhorrent behaviour and the same thuggish activity deployed on the Scots and in Northern Ireland to attempt to destabilise the political structures there and social cohesion between the home nations. It is completely disgusting and unhelpful as the vast majority of both Welsh and English have enjoyed a fantastic relationship where we enjoy each other’s countries and live in harmony and have a bit of a joke about Welsh and English rivalries without turning into colossal bell-ends about it. However, the bell-ends are out in force now, you have people who should know better like Daniel Kawczynski MP for Shrewsbury wanting to abolish the Senedd just because he can’t bring his cheap little plastic bucket and spades and his Speedos to his favourite Welsh Beach when even the Welsh aren’t allowed on said beaches.

    Yes, there are Welsh Nationalists who are flaring tensions too (two sides to every story), but you can hardly blame them when there’s people like Shrewsbury’s MP leering into our country wanting to have complete say over it like a Fisher Price version of Vladimir Putin drooling over the Crimea.

    The Senedd is in its infancy in terms of the grand scheme of political things, a large number of older people will only remember being ruled by Westminster and that makes it understandable why some people do not fully trust the set-up, the current Welsh leadership is not strong and I’m critical of it, but that doesn’t mean we should knock it on the head entirely, it’s something that will hopefully evolve and become more useful for us in the coming years, at the moment it’s certainly proved an extra layer of protection. There are millions of people in England at the moment upset, stressed and worried because of the uncertainty that Boris Johnson’s statement made last night.

    Currently it’s not clear if you can or can’t meet up with other households 2m in the park, the message is confusing and people got told they needed to go into work tomorrow with 12 hours notice, this left some people being fired if they were unable to go in as they couldn’t get cover for their kids. Equally bosses were left confused about how to make their workspaces Covid-19 friendly at such short notice to actually allow people back into work. It’s an absolute shitshow of the highest order.

    There’s also a class disparity as proportion of workers being forced back into work are all blue collar workers who can’t do their jobs from home, so the poorest and lowest waged individuals are the ones who have to go out and risk getting a virus and bringing it home to their families. Whereas, management and bosses within these firms who are from more well off classes are able to sit at home in relative safety and continue to reel in a big pay packet and not worry about being able to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. Those being forced back into lower paid physical jobs are having a rug pulled from under them as the furlough scheme is being curtailed and it’s either risk your life or starve and be made homeless.

    Let’s not forget it’s nothing short of a national scandal that the fact is the UK has the second largest death toll in the world and it’s completely being swept under the carpet and it’s still highly risky to go out, all because of critical failures at the beginning of the infection risk period when we could see into the future of how infections pan out with the outcome in Italy.

    Also, I wish people would stop using scientists as a generic browbeating stick like how the “Sun” cleverly uses the term boffins to condescend its readership that things are being dealt with that they can’t possibly understand. Yes, scientists may be better informed on this subject than anyone else – especially virologists, but in uncharted fields where we don’t have a solid answer – each scientific research, approach and opinion is to be considered experimental and with Covid-19 it’s currently the equivalent of throwing darts into a dartboard blindfolded in order to find a correct solution. There’s 195+ (countries) different approaches to lockdowns, some are working better than others and there’s also hundreds of different experimental treatments being trialled to see what works. And if you turned round and said let’s trust every single scientist and lockdown specialists opinion on what the best approach is you’d have to believe completely contradictory arguments and also some approaches will/have lead directly to people dying – it’s a fairly safe assumption that a prime example of that is in play in the USA where deaths are a runaway certainty due to whatever advice has been put down there.

    In this crisis SCIENTISTS are just human being like the rest of us, clawing for survival that just happen to have a few degrees in vaguely relevant areas but have been taken by surprise and don’t know what the future holds, just as much as the rest of us.

    #185902

    Truthbeknown
    Participant

    Bloody hell Matt!! in the time it took to type all that Russia sadly overtook our death rate. You start off well, Calm down, nobody wants to end the Senedd. What most people want is same rules for everyone and some leadership without the politics. I Listened to Prime ministers question Time today, other than Kier Starmer, who to be fair was excellent I thought as an opposition, was the usual tit for tat Devolved muscle flexing rubbish.

    We need to open the country safely before it grinds to a halt completely and irreversibly, with more harm to society than the virus itself. That’s just common sense. Furlough cant last for ever, if you can safely work then and I know there are complexities but as a general rule of thumb, surely go to work.
    Being pedantic when its obvious what the guidance is seems to be the bandwagon to jump on, most people understand the gist of things and want to do whats right for them and there family. I don’t know the answer, I wish I did but that poor speech for 20 minutes was nowhere near good enough to outline all proposals, no logic to it whatsoever, but as usual the national media and gutter press jumped on it ferociously, twisting it always to suit there narrative.
    If anything comes of any sort of enquiry when this is finally over then hopefully they will be held to account as much as anyone.

    #185904

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Matt – if you are going to quote statistics make sure they are correct,not distorted like your arguments. UK currently lies 6th in the death rate charts behind : Spain, Italy Belgium, Andorra and San Marino – all incidentally European countries. If even your facts are incorrect you cannot trust the rest of your spoutings…,

    #185908

    MP1953
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    Kier Starmer was good today very well reasoned, but will he be allowed to flourish by the loony left of the party ?

    #185909

    Matt
    Participant

    VTCO, are you deliberately being stupid or what?

    What I was obviously referring to is the overall death toll and you are being incredibly Trumpesque if you think you can sidestep any other arguments and valid points made by using such shallow chicanery. I don’t expect you to trust or believe anything I say, you are basically a Skeletor level troll and I’m here to counter your absolute toxicity.

    #185911

    TimRegency
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    MP1953 – Labour’s job is opposition, not to be the Tory understudy or Tory reserves.

    I know you can’t cope with other people having a very different opinion to yours, but that is how it works in a healthy democracy.

    There’s always the Liberal Democrats, if you’re desperate for a miserable little compromise.

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