Street Cleanup- DO NOT CLEAN UP POSTERS!!

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  • #150970
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Rudy Giuliani’s broken window theory, was one of the cornerstones of the policies that restored New York from being a crime ridden shithole, back to a world class City back in the 90s.

    Clear these windows as soon as they are flyposted.

    If you see one, peel it off or deface it.

    Simultaneously, prosecute the advertisers for littering.

    Eventually, the people who pay the flyposters will give up.

    Or just continue to do the Wrexham thing of sit on your arse, moan, point at others whilst watching the town slowly die.

    Have a bit of pride in YOUR Wrexham for God’s sake, and stop waiting to be spoonfed.

    #150971
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Might I also add, it’s easy to find who the freeholders of the building are.

    Contact them. Give them 72 working hours to clean the posters off or face prosecution.

    Make Wrexham a hostile place to deface.

    #150972

    Council Watcher
    Participant

    We already have a “team” of paid staff wandering the streets of Wrexham that could have the removal added to their job description- Street Scene operatives already go around so why cat they take them down when they first appear.
    Are all these flyposters setting them up under the cover of darkness or during the day in full view? If flyposting was defined as more kit – which has been done in some Council areas then Kingdom should get it sorted (appreciate not much chance under current arrangements).

    #150974
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Here’s the thing ‘Council Watcher’, you can have pride in your community, get involved and STILL have a Council.

    Or you can sit on the sidelines, perpetually whinging whilst waiting to be spoonfed.

    Below is a picture of the residents of Clapham, who turned out to sweep up the riot damage of 2011.

    They got involved, unannounced, unpaid and for the sake of their own community – it didn’t prevent the local council playing its part.

    Doers rather than moaners.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14462058

    #150975

    Council Watcher
    Participant

    I can assure you I am a doer and not just a “keyboard warrior”
    I am unsure about your analogy of the Clapham community cleanup and flyposting cleanups.
    The first was as a result of civil unrest/action – Flyposting has a clear financial benefit for those running events- anyone making financial gains from flyposting should be fined/charged for the cleanup. They can be tracked down easily – I will reiterate that this is a case of people being paid to do a job on behalf of residents who are not fulfilling their responsibilities to ratepayers.
    Simple if someone does not do a job that they are paid to do they should be removed and the funding used to employ someone who will do what is needed.

    #150976
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
    Participant

    Translated as ‘happy to live in a shithole with right on my side’.

    #150981

    steveg
    Participant

    “Bill Stickers will be prosecuted!”
    “Bill Stickers is innocent!”
    But seriously, who is guilty of fly-posting? The actual person putting up the poster or the organisation being advertised?

    #150983

    Council Watcher
    Participant

    If the person is employed by a business to put them up – ultimately it would be the business being prosecuted. If there is no contract in place (which in most cases there probably isn’t as this is often done by cash in hand)then the individual can be prosecuted. There are some case that has been reported where the flyposter won’t say who is paying him so he gets prosecuted even though it is obvious by the details on the poster to see who is paying for them

    #150984
    Rob
    Rob
    Keymaster

    One self branded fly posterer says the council are leaving them with no option as the council are not providing ad space, and says the council should not be taking down signs from private property.

    On the first story comment thread on Facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/wrexhamdotcom/posts/1629423967112346?comment_id=1629912483730161&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D ) the organiser of Rock The Park said “All of the Rock the Park posters are ours, we have no option but to fly post as the council will NOT give us space to advertise. We have even put planning in to have official banners like in the picture below but these have been turned down. We get absolutely no support what so ever. How else are we supposed to advertise our events coming up and bring people to the area. As a small business we cannot afford thousands of pounds to advertise! Maybe they should think about putting up an events board to promote things going on in the area! The council also have no right ripping them down as they are posted onto private landlords shops!”

    (Wrexham.com'er - email us on news@wrexham.com)

    #150986
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
    Participant

    Just about sums it up when the crooks think that THEY are the victims.

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