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    Matt
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    and why Dick, if he is who I think he is would endorse such drivel.

    Please enlighten us. We’ve got pro-fracking, strong defence of TM’s visit to Gresford, a general defensiveness of all things Tory, insider knowledge on Andrew Atkinson’s home status in Llay being ex council house.

    #135269

    Dick
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    Why are people so obsessed with who i am.

    No one would lose their jobs, my simple argument is why should i subsidise people to carry out trade union business when the unions have many millions in the bank and should and could pay for this themselves.

    As for getting all the info on brexit negotiations from Google is stretching incredulity to the limit.

    And NO i did not use Google

    #135293

    Stoneagle
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    Simple arguement – simple, black & white non-political response.
    The public sector is owned by the taxpayer. The taxpayer is the employer. Public-sector workers are employees of taxpayers.

    Private sector employers are obliged to pay for time spent by officials on union-related affairs.

    Ditto public sector employers. That’s the taxpayer.

    The millions of pounds in union banks you mention have been paid in by the union’s employees every month. It’s for everything else union-related apart from the work-related time of their union officials. The employer pays that.

    So, the taxpayer is not subsidising paid time, but fulfilling their obligations as an employer.

    #135328

    Dick
    Participant

    The millions of pounds in union banks you mention have been paid in by the union’s employees every month. It’s for everything else union-related apart from the work-related time of their union officials. The employer pays that.

    If you believe that then sop be it. Making the narrative fit the argument might suit your conscience but doesn’t hide the fact they are wasting our money and until the WAG are held to account they will carry on squandering your money.

    #135332

    Stoneagle
    Participant

    Dick – it’s not a question of believing my own narrative, or making the narrative fit the arguement.

    I’ve been a public sector employee for 33 years, I’m proud to say. Every month I pay my union fees, and every year I pay a hefty fee to my regulatory body.

    Clearly, you believe your narrative. It fits your arguement of taxpayers subsidising unions to squander their money, and the WAG allowing this.

    I find your narrative insulting. I hope readers critically evaluate your reasoning before forming their opinions.

    #135354

    Dick
    Participant

    The tax payers are subsidising the Unions and the WAG are allowing it, nothing insulting there, just the truth.

    #135355

    Mike Davies
    Participant

    All that people really need to know is that this whole issue was sparked off by the “taxpayers alliance”. A right wing organisation purporting to be working on behalf of the British public.

    Their stated aim is to have lower taxes by lowering public spending. Consequentially reducing public sector employment and wages.

    Considering that Wales together with Scotland and Northern Ireland have the highest percentage of its population working in the Public Sector than all English regions, (the lowest percentage regions are London and the South of England). I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to the people the “alliance” really wants to help.

    A quick google reveals the following:

    Sixty per cent of donations come from individuals or groups giving more than £5,000. The Midlands Industrial Council, which has donated £1.5m to the Conservatives since 2003, said it has given around £80,000 on behalf of 32 owners of private companies.[3] David Alberto, co-owner of serviced office company Avanta, has donated a suite in Westminster worth £100,000 a year, because he opposes the level of tax on businesses.[3] Construction magnate Malcolm McAlpine and a spokesman for JCB tycoon Sir Anthony Bamford, have said they also helped fund the TPA.[3]

    #135364

    Dick
    Participant

    Considering that Wales together with Scotland and Northern Ireland have the highest percentage of its population working in the Public Sector than all English regions, (the lowest percentage regions are London and the South of England). I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to the people the “alliance” really wants to help.

    I would say they are trying to help the tax payers, you know those of us who pay for the public sector jobs.

    Cannot understand why so many people jump in to defend the WAG wasting our money yet lambast WCBC every time they waste a penny!

    #135367

    Mike Davies
    Participant

    Considering that Wales together with Scotland and Northern Ireland have the highest percentage of its population working in the Public Sector than all English regions, (the lowest percentage regions are London and the South of England). I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to the people the “alliance” really wants to help.

    I would say they are trying to help the tax payers, you know those of us who pay for the public sector jobs.

    Cannot understand why so many people jump in to defend the WAG wasting our money yet lambast WCBC every time they waste a penny!

    I would say they are trying to help the tax payers, you know those of us who pay for the public sector jobs.

    Cannot understand why so many people jump in to defend the WAG wasting our money yet lambast WCBC every time they waste a penny!

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    They are not trying to help the basic tax payers, only the upper bracket earners. Their stated aim is to reduce Public Spending, which would hit Wales more than other parts of “Little England”

    Oh, by the way, public sector workers pay tax too you know.

    I am not defending WAG wasting money. They are not wasting money, they are complying with British Law. Certain Union Roles such as Health and Safety reps, Education and Learning reps etc. are protected by Government legislation. Governments in the past saw the benefit in having these important positions. Do you want to rip up all this Legislation? Do you think Wales should go against these laws and return to the dark ages?

    It is not just Public Sector organisations but many private companies recognise the importance in having trained union officials in their workforce. I could name local businesses who encourage employees to train as union officials. They even pay for them to attend courses and pay for their facility time because they recognise the importance of the role they play.

    A large public sector organisation with a large number of staff will frequently have need for union officials to attend negotiations and disciplinary hearings etc. It is more convenient to have these officials at hand to attend quickly and when it is convenient for all parties. There could be a lot of wasted time and resources if they had to wait for a union national official to be free to attend.

    Finally, the vast percentage of union officials in this country are unpaid officials who volunteer their time. Only a small number of officials are paid.

    I suggest you do a little bit of research into employment law and also the workings of trade unions before you wade into “lets hit the unions again” under the pretence of saving tax payers money.

    The tax payers alliance have close connections with the “tea Party” in America. Need we say any more?

    #135368

    Mike Davies
    Participant

    Considering that Wales together with Scotland and Northern Ireland have the highest percentage of its population working in the Public Sector than all English regions, (the lowest percentage regions are London and the South of England). I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to the people the “alliance” really wants to help.

    I would say they are trying to help the tax payers, you know those of us who pay for the public sector jobs.

    Cannot understand why so many people jump in to defend the WAG wasting our money yet lambast WCBC every time they waste a penny!

    I would say they are trying to help the tax payers, you know those of us who pay for the public sector jobs.

    Cannot understand why so many people jump in to defend the WAG wasting our money yet lambast WCBC every time they waste a penny!

    [/quote]

    They are not trying to help the basic tax payers, only the upper bracket earners. Their stated aim is to reduce Public Spending, which would hit Wales more than other parts of “Little England”

    Oh, by the way, public sector workers pay tax too you know.

    I am not defending WAG wasting money. They are not wasting money, they are complying with British Law. Certain Union Roles such as Health and Safety reps, Education and Learning reps etc. are protected by Government legislation. Governments in the past saw the benefit in having these important positions. Do you want to rip up all this Legislation? Do you think Wales should go against these laws and return to the dark ages?

    It is not just Public Sector organisations but many private companies recognise the importance in having trained union officials in their workforce. I could name local businesses who encourage employees to train as union officials. They even pay for them to attend courses and pay for their facility time because they recognise the importance of the role they play.

    A large public sector organisation with a large number of staff will frequently have need for union officials to attend negotiations and disciplinary hearings etc. It is more convenient to have these officials at hand to attend quickly and when it is convenient for all parties. There could be a lot of wasted time and resources if they had to wait for a union national official to be free to attend.

    Finally, the vast percentage of union officials in this country are unpaid officials who volunteer their time. Only a small number of officials are paid.

    I suggest you do a little bit of research into employment law and also the workings of trade unions before you wade into “lets hit the unions again” under the pretence of saving tax payers money.

    The tax payers alliance have close connections with the “tea Party” in America. Need we say any more?

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