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    BenjaminM
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    [quote quote=130171]Serious question from a voter who locally will vote for my Labour candidate but nationally still not entirely convinced.

    Is Jeremy Corbyn a victim of a media who portray him as a half wit unable to galvanise his party?

    Or

    Is he actually just trying to offer a complete polar opposite to the Conservatives but his message is falling short because of people’s impression gathered from the media?

    Or…is he actually that unpopular and lives up to the media portrayal?

    Will the polls be right or will there be a shock? Very interesting.

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    I met Jeremy Corbyn back in February and I can only say that I have never a more sincere conviction politician in my life.

    I believe that the reason for his alleged unpopularity is twofold:

    The ‘Progress’ faction (formed by Blairites in 1996) within the Labour Party who have abandoned the Socialist values of their forefathers to pursue personal advancement and prosperity and further the aims of the organisations that fund them. Jeremy Corbyn refuses to bend to their influence and thus is rarely supported.

    Negative press coverage from particularly the Tories who are in league with big business, who are virtually crapping themselves because of the agenda proposed by Corbyn would cost them dearly. I also believe, although I have no proof of it, that certain Labour backbencher are not averse to adding fuel to the fire.

    Corbyn is a very sincere intelligent man who is very much maligned and portrayed as a village idiot.

    #130190

    Matt
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    [quote quote=130188]
    I met Jeremy Corbyn back in February and I can only say that I have never a more sincere conviction politician in my life.

    I believe that the reason for his alleged unpopularity is twofold:

    The ‘Progress’ faction (formed by Blairites in 1996) within the Labour Party who have abandoned the Socialist values of their forefathers to pursue personal advancement and prosperity and further the aims of the organisations that fund them. Jeremy Corbyn refuses to bend to their influence and thus is rarely supported.

    Negative press coverage from particularly the Tories who are in league with big business, who are virtually crapping themselves because of the agenda proposed by Corbyn would cost them dearly. I also believe, although I have no proof of it, that certain Labour backbencher are not averse to adding fuel to the fire.

    Corbyn is a very sincere intelligent man who is very much maligned and portrayed as a village idiot.

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    It is always interesting to hear the opinions of people who have actually met Corbyn as from what I have experienced when speaking to the average person, Corbyn is distrusted because of his negative image in the media. Most people are too scared to back perceived ‘losers’ and want to vote with the popular crowd, which is why the likes of the Sun has so much influence even though they are an utterly abhorrent organisation. The whole thing that people find attractive about voting for the underdog in sports doesn’t seem to translate to the political arena.

    Many people still view Corbyn as the man who apparently lied about not being able to find a seat on a train, just as much so as most people still equate Ed Miliband’s political career to not being able to eat a bacon sandwich.

    As much as the hyper-informed people on social media like to think their comments and retweets of things they agree with or arguments with people they disagree with and the debunking of propaganda make an ounce of difference, it doesn’t – it’s a tiny bubble that has little to no impact on elections. I am guilty of these things myself, but it is more out of frustration than anything else these days. People want a platform to try and help drive social change, but whilst mainstream media remains king in helping formulate opinions, there is a long way to go before the change that people want will materialise. There is no silver bullet that will persuade enough people that social change is actually needed. If positive ideals were genuinely believed in this country then the likes of the Liberal Democrats (in their purest form) and the Green Party would have a lot more voters and MPs.

    #130191

    99DylanJones
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    The one side point that has been overlooked on this about Community Council elections is that they very rarely occur. At least 50% of Wrexham County Borough Community Councils have not had elections for at least 15 years many go back 20 plus years. Community Councils in the past used to be a place were would be Councillors could cut their teeth in politics and garner their supporters. It appears looking at the candidates bio’s on Wrexham.com that very few of the candidates are or have been Community Councils.

    #130203

    BenjaminM
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    very interesting article on BBC news website following a speech made by Jeremy Corbyn in London yesterday. It bears out what I posted yesterday and indicates that May will not have things all her own way. Well worth a read.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk>uk-politics-39649119

    #130206

    Interested
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    Interesting read Benjamin, although still very reluctant I do like what Mr Corbyn is saying. My fear is that the Conservatives backed by the media will continue to portray a very weak leader. There is substance to his speeches and we do need change.

    Having researched the arguments such as the continuous lies about who put is in so much debt etc. The statistics show that the Conservatives historically have been poor governments when it comes to the economy and that Labour have been a safer pair of hands. The only thing that could be put at Labours feet is that they were caught out by the banking crash, which all governments were. Google it…I encourage people to check it out. Obviously we know the Internet can be manipulated but there are good sites with great research using accurate figures.

    I know that come June we will still be under a Conservative majority but I pray that it is a reduced one. The ramifications for all of us if it increases is unthinkable. Mrs Theresa May reminds me so much of Thatcher. I voted Conservatives for years, blinded but no more.

    #130207

    Owain Glyndwr
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    [quote quote=130206]I voted Conservatives for years, blinded but no more.

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    Did they actually blind you? Maggie was a nasty piece of work for sure!

    #130208

    Owain Glyndwr
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    #130209

    Jamsindahouse
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    [quote quote=130206]Interesting read Benjamin, although still very reluctant I do like what Mr Corbyn is saying. My fear is that the Conservatives backed by the media will continue to portray a very weak leader. There is substance to his speeches and we do need change.

    Having researched the arguments such as the continuous lies about who put is in so much debt etc. The statistics show that the Conservatives historically have been poor governments when it comes to the economy and that Labour have been a safer pair of hands. The only thing that could be put at Labours feet is that they were caught out by the banking crash, which all governments were. Google it…I encourage people to check it out. Obviously we know the Internet can be manipulated but there are good sites with great research using accurate figures.

    I know that come June we will still be under a Conservative majority but I pray that it is a reduced one. The ramifications for all of us if it increases is unthinkable. Mrs Theresa May reminds me so much of Thatcher. I voted Conservatives for years, blinded but no more.
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    Surely the fact the Tories and media outlets, who favour them or Blair, are constantly trying to make us believe he is a “weak” leader is proof enough they are scared of him and how he could shake up the current status quo.

    This is a man who has stood up for his believes his whole career, which included going against the party line when Blair was in power.

    If the Tories get an even bigger majority after June 8th we can all expect to get the worst possible outcomes from Brexit as there will be no major opposition to appose them. They will push there agenda of the UK becoming a lower paid workforce to bring in bigger corporations to line their own pockets.

    The Austerity measures they have put in place are not working for the majority of people, it has put the UK in even more debt and it is pushing vital services to the limit.

    Change is now vital!

    On a side note, in regards to the Tory MPs currently under investigation for expenses, please help ensure they see justice by singing the below petition.
    Disallow Tory MPs currently under expenses investigation from running June 8th

    #130322

    Dick
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    Personally believe that this has been called 12 months too early for the Conservatives. I think or hope Labour retain Wrexham and Clwyd South. As a past Conservative voter I would now rather walk on glass than vote for them. The under funding and covert privatisation of the NHS, austerity cuts whilst maintaining fat cat bonuses etc. Etc. But we will see what the people of Wrexham want.

    Can’t understand your logic, it’s the Welsh LABOUR Government who been cutting funds to the NHS. They’ve been in power in Wales for 18 years and it’s still a mess.

    #130325

    Interested
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    [quote quote=130322]Personally believe that this has been called 12 months too early for the Conservatives. I think or hope Labour retain Wrexham and Clwyd South. As a past Conservative voter I would now rather walk on glass than vote for them. The under funding and covert privatisation of the NHS, austerity cuts whilst maintaining fat cat bonuses etc. Etc. But we will see what the people of Wrexham want.

    Can’t understand your logic, it’s the Welsh LABOUR Government who been cutting funds to the NHS. They’ve been in power in Wales for 18 years and it’s still a mess.

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    We won’t mention that the Welsh settlement from Central Government has been cut. The Conservative Government!

    This would have a direct impact on all Welsh Government budgets including the NHS in Wales. However the Welsh Government from my understanding has maintained/slightly increased the percentage of their settlement spent on the NHS. So I throw this back in your direction and say…..who is killing the NHS? But you keep being blinded like I once was. Tories are killing the NHS. The impacts seen at local government, NHS etc. Are directly linked to the reduction in the settlement from this Thatcher clone led regime.

    And I used to vote Tory……for 30 years. No more!

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