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  • #152372

    Hugh Bet
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    Is this not a case of closing the stable door once that the horse has bolted?

    #152373

    Matt
    Participant

    Yes, complete waste of time as it won’t build up any popular traction because the #FBPE crowd who like to run rampant at these events have completely alienated any of left-aligned Labour by continuously trying to derail Corbyn and criticise him for Brexit when he is the leader of the opposition and the vote was brought about by Cameron Trotters & a piss poor execution of it by anyone’s book – whether you want to leave or remain is being carried out by May, Johnson, Davies & Fox.

    So these hot headed Richard heads can stamp and march all they want but people didn’t listen in London, so won’t even register in ‘more voted to leave than stay Wrexham’.

    I’ve said it many a time rather than whinging on a hashtag if they so desperately want us to stay in Europe – start a bloody political party – UKIP did & got what they wanted in the end. Fed up of all this grandstanding.

    For the record I am strong remain but recognise that we can’t possibly try and keep the country going by berating on this single issue all the time – there are so many other things that need to be dealt with – in fact if I was to pick a single issue that needs absolutely hammering home – it is the NHS – every single time.

    If we can’t preserve the NHS and keep that in order in Wales and across the UK and retain largely free healthcare then it ceases to become the country I know and recognise that I grew up in. Being in and out of Europe is a trivial issue compared to if 2 to 3 generations down the line everyone is being forced to fork out thousands for private health insurance and some people can’t afford to look after themselves and just die – like in the US.

    I also categorically reject any partisan arguments from either Brexiteers or FBPE that being in or out of Europe will spell the demise of boom of the NHS as you do what it takes to get the right skilled doctors or nurses into the country whether it means specialist visas or setting up new training programmes. That’s an absolute essential.

    #152391

    HenryTulip
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    Totally agree with Matt. I voted remain in the referendum. I am not happy we are leaving the EU and would love a get out of jail free card on this one. What is guaranteed is that pro eu marches and rallys like this will only strengthen the hands of those who want to leave. The people of Wrexham voted to leave and they are not going to have their minds changed by a bunch of middle-class snobs who think they are intellectually better than the rest of us. If this pro eu lot want to make a difference then they should try to talking to real people rather than lecture them about how wrong their vote was.

    #152392

    Wxmbda777
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    Once again we have this stupidity of people thinking that they should have another vote on this and another vote on that, how many votes will it take to get through to the REMOANERS that wrexham and the UK voted leave no matter how big or small the majority or as some say people didnt know what they were voting for, well I for one certainly knew what i voted for and how the idiotic pain in the asses in europe ie france and germany mainly, want to disrupt this process as much as possible as they dont want us to leave as this will be the waterfall for lots of other countries to follow suit, then the fall of the EU,my my if only the stubborn people that are trying to wreck the leave process realise we managed before the EU, and we will manage just as well without it, just a pity that it was the common market we agreed to join originally not to giving away all our power to the EU (france & germany) after all these coutries would not have their own vote now if it werent for GREAT BRITAIN saving their countries and all our serviceman giving their lives for them.

    #152393

    MP1953
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    Once again we have this stupidity of people thinking that they should have another vote on this and another vote on that, how many votes will it take to get through to the REMOANERS that wrexham and the UK voted leave no matter how big or small the majority or as some say people didnt know what they were voting for, well I for one certainly knew what i voted for and how the idiotic pain in the asses in europe ie france and germany mainly, want to disrupt this process as much as possible as they dont want us to leave as this will be the waterfall for lots of other countries to follow suit, then the fall of the EU,my my if only the stubborn people that are trying to wreck the leave process realise we managed before the EU, and we will manage just as well without it, just a pity that it was the common market we agreed to join originally not to giving away all our power to the EU (france & germany) after all these coutries would not have their own vote now if it werent for GREAT BRITAIN saving their countries and all our serviceman giving their lives for them.

    Clap Clap // Well said Sir/Madam

    The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

    #152418

    Matt
    Participant

    not to giving away all our power to the EU (france & germany) after all these coutries would not have their own vote now if it werent for GREAT BRITAIN saving their countries and all our serviceman giving their lives for them.

    Care to comment on the accuracy of above statement.

    1) We were fighting the Germans – so your implication that we SAVED them makes no sense.

    2) You mention Great Britain. Were Northern Ireland not involved?

    3) Were none of the other Allied forces also responsible for the liberation of Europe? Perhaps the USA, Russia maybe having a decisive role in the whole matter?

    #152423

    JP
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    Once again we have this stupidity of people thinking that they should have another vote on this and another vote on that, how many votes will it take to get through to the REMOANERS that wrexham and the UK voted leave no matter how big or small the majority or as some say people didnt know what they were voting for, well I for one certainly knew what i voted for and how the idiotic pain in the asses in europe ie france and germany mainly, want to disrupt this process as much as possible as they dont want us to leave as this will be the waterfall for lots of other countries to follow suit, then the fall of the EU,my my if only the stubborn people that are trying to wreck the leave process realise we managed before the EU, and we will manage just as well without it, just a pity that it was the common market we agreed to join originally not to giving away all our power to the EU (france & germany) after all these coutries would not have their own vote now if it werent for GREAT BRITAIN saving their countries and all our serviceman giving their lives for them.

    Seven commas, one full stop, variable capitalisation.

    Yep, we can see which end of the stereotype you fall into.
    Good job you could type it, that rant, would have left you gasping otherwise.

    The EU has been propping Wales up for decades; I doubt they will miss us.

    I doubt you have the whit to comprehend the shit-storm that is about to descend.

    Still most of Wrexham just love their puddle of shite to sit in; biggest gripe is whether it is warm or cold.

    #152424
    Owain Glyndwr
    Owain Glyndwr
    Participant

    If you ask the people of Wrexham ‘WHY’ they voted to leave, I am sure you will find they are fed up by the invasion of our Eastern European friends and could not give a toss about any political or EU ruling issues.

    Matt mentioned the NHS and the influx of Health Service tourists using our services just adds to the strain.

    On a separate issue, I hope we will all be singing the NATIONAL ANTHEM on Saturday which England use as their anthem because obviously we are all England.

    To be born Welsh is to be born privileged, not with a silver spoon in your mouth, but with music in your blood, and poetry in your soul.

    #152438

    HenryTulip
    Participant

    JP comments basically sum up what the problem is here. Remainers are so full of their own belief that they are intelligent people and the leave voters are thick. Well it seems to me that it is the Remain voters who need educating on social engagement. Do they really think they are going to win enough support to reverse Brexit by telling leave voters how thick they are??? Leaving the Eu might be an act of national self-harm but insulting their voters will only make them want brexit more. So Remainers my advice to you is starting living in the real world with real people rather than mixing with your own type at dinner parties bragging about which universities your children are at.

    #152442

    Matt
    Participant

    There are so many issues in this thread it’s unbelievable.

    Attacks on class – in multiple directions. Come on now this is all just pathetic it’s 2018 – surely we are past bickering of this level now. Completely non objective to the subject matter.

    Comments on 1 particular sub-set of foreign Wrexham residents notably being blamed all the time for strains on the NHS. I would ask those loathing treatment of residents who weren’t born in the same country as you if you despise the foreign doctors and nurses treating you in the Maelor?
    If all Foreign born citizens stopped being treated on the NHS that wouldn’t stop it from being overburdened. But if you took away all the foreign doctors and nurses and other care workers there would be a worse skills shortage than there is now and there would be actually patient deaths as a direct result of it.

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