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  • #112063

    weasel
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    So…The Post Office is moving…Good….It’s deffo not safe dealing with any kind of money transactions, now the street is practically derelict….It’s the perfect prowling ground for muggers….

    #112077

    99DylanJones
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    This has been one of the worst kept commercial discussions for nearly two years as it was in the Post Office modernisation plans. BHS as a company overall is trading on a knife edge. No one can blame the Council for all the empty shops in this area – the ultimate culprits are the shoppers themselves for deserting the area in favour of other shop.
    Perhaps the way to revitalise is to make it into a Food Court and children’s play /activity space suitable for all shoppers and families.

    #112129

    MP1953
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    So now what was a beautiful market was knocked down for a whole street of empty shops :( you couldn’t make it up..

    #112130

    BenjaminM
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    [quote quote=112129]So now what was a beautiful market was knocked down for a whole street of empty shops :( you couldn’t make it up..

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    You’ve lost me there MP. I am not sure how you can even remotely arrive at the conclusion that because the market was demolished in 1992, it is somehow responsible for commercial decisions taken 24 years later.

    It is just like saying that because St. Mark’s church was demolished, that decision is responsible for the recent closure of the NCP car park.

    I don’t think things actually work like that.

    #112132

    Councillor X
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    Take a look at what else we have lost over the years:

    Wrexham Now and Then

    #112133

    MP1953
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    [quote quote=112130]

    So now what was a beautiful market was knocked down for a whole street of empty shops :( you couldn’t make it up..

    You’ve lost me there MP. I am not sure how you can even remotely arrive at the conclusion that because the market was demolished in 1992, it is somehow responsible for commercial decisions taken 24 years later.

    It is just like saying that because St. Mark’s church was demolished, that decision is responsible for the recent closure of the NCP car park.

    I don’t think things actually work like that.

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    Unfortunately, that is the reality though Benjamin as to what has happened, whichever way you look at it, whosever fault it is or whoever has made all the bad decisions over the years.

    #112145

    MP1953
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    #112241

    Alunh
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    Like MP1953, I think that the decision to knock down the Market was a bad one. Heritage is big business these days and as the Manchester Metropolitan University have shown via their intelligent Markets Matter, those towns with good Markets (of which we are not one) enjoy much better footflow than those who lack such.

    That said, I kind of agree with Benjamin. The area that is Henblas Street is not a wasteland because of that decision. The main culprits on this state of affairs are those who allowed a new development (or two) to follow on from the Henblas Street development, eventually encouraging the shops which were based there to make trading choices to move. When combined with the fact that no radical re-rating of this area (and the town generally) has occurred since 2008, the silly planning gaffe which allowed the T J Hughes site to be configured without a permanent walk-through, and the failure to have a plan in place for the Hippodrome site, this is a lethal cocktail. It seems silly to blame the Post Office for responding to the obvious realities, and whilst I think Ian Lucas has the future of the town at heart, I hope that he will direct his fire to the Labour Administration in Cardiff on the rates matter

    #112246

    Alunh
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    [quote quote=112077] No one can blame the Council for all the empty shops in this area – the ultimate culprits are the shoppers themselves for deserting the area in favour of other shop.
    Perhaps the way to revitalise is to make it into a Food Court and children’s play /activity space suitable for all shoppers and families.

    [/quote]

    A lot of people can and do blame the Council for the empty shops in this part of Wrexham and for many justifiable and unjustifiable reasons. Heads should have rolled within the planning arena for the gaffe with the T J Hughes walkway. Car Parking charges of £4.00 levied in the Peoples Market for a long time did not help. The abandonment of the over 2 hours stay in Market Street Car Park has not helped. The excessive rents on Council owned Henblas Street shops (of which there are several) has meant these also lying unoccupied. The failure to radically transform the 3 adjacent Markets and bring them into the 21st century (like Bury) has not helped….and so on. You cannot blame shoppers from exercising choice. We all do this.

    Lastly….who exactly are you suggesting should make a Food Court and where. Whilst the Council may encourage a Food Court into the Market, Henblas Street is a private sector street (bar the few very small Council shops)

    #112251

    CarolThomas
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    The down turn of Henblas Street rests with two groups — the customers in Wrexham not frequenting the shops and two the retailers not providing what the footfall wanted- if these were aligned the tills would have been ringing and profits made.
    All of the major nationals who would want the bigger units in Henblas Street have masses if data on footfall, socio economic information etc on which to base their shop developments. Using this type of data they are generally able to predict what 80% of the turnover of any shop should be across a 12 month period. They have decamped because the computer statistic show it is cheaper to bail out of the area than to run a loss making business.
    It is only likely to be independent shops that take over any of these outlets as they work on gut and emotional feeling for an area as they cant afford all of the marketing data the large nationals use.
    The next two groupings of shops to close are – phone shops with the industry predicting 30-50% reduction in retail outlets by 2020 and estate agents with 30% reduction due to the increasing use of internet sales and marketing.
    New accommodation is necessary and change of foot outlets to ‘meals’ rather than fast food sandwich outlets.
    People need to stop using the Council as a battering ram for the down turn in retailing in Wrexham – the rates are only one element of the total problem. Rates will not have sufficient impact to get retailers to change sufficient to meet the social changes that are occurring in society.

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