Llay United YFC Driven Off Alyn Waters over Parking Charges

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  • #150869
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Seriously though, there are some causes and issues worth fighting for.. but this isn’t one of them.
    This is just someone at Llay United YFC, shooting his gob off and enjoying his 15 miutes of fame.

    I’d happily pay a quid a day for parking and see the CAB continue to be funded. Now that’s a cause worth fighting for.

    #150871

    Beau4021AV
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    the whole idea of these parking charges meant to make raise money for the councils budget is a complete farce.
    here we have people who have no background in commerce or business thinking because they are councillors they are all of a sudden donald trump.
    what background data was collected by these two before making the decision.what impact assessment.
    its not just the pound charge its the total investment in the installation of the machines,the cost of collection amd maintenance. the supervision of illegal parking.
    very few people park there now. so its a massive financial loss.
    made by two bumpkins why on earth are complete and utter amateurs allowed to bully this type of thing through.
    some people used to go there three times a day for the benefit of the above that is 3 pounds.

    #150873
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    No it isn’t. It’s a pound a day.

    #150875

    Council Watcher
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    As an income generator, the Council in year one is unlikely to make a single £1. The actual cost of purchasing a machine and installation is approx £10 – £5500 for the machine and £4,500 for installation, tarmac etc. more if the machines are mains electric rather than solar). On top of this is the cost of a security firm to empty the machines (currently planned as daily). As most people in business will tell you income is not profit.

    The principle of having an asset (car park) and lots of users (paying to use the asset) is logical but in this instance does not balance the books. The only solution then will be to increase the charge from £1 day to a level that actually achieves what the Council want which is profit. The Council have made no statement to cover the implication of insufficient revenue to cover the cost of the machine and ongoing operational expenses.

    This is one for Wrexham.com to press the Council on for an answer to what happens if the car parking charges actually don’t generate enough income, will they turn the machines off and scrap the scheme. The above costings are going to be roughly the same on all the sites – Ty Mawr visitor numbers are 25% less than Alyn Waters.

    #150877

    pete
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    what happens if the car parking charges actually don’t generate enough income, will they turn the machines off and scrap the scheme.

    Forestry Commission did just that in a whole area – it was costing more to empty and maintain the machines.
    They put the prices up at the permanently manned sites to balance things out.

    #150882
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Don’t bother with the expense of machines, just sub the whole thing out to someone like ‘Ringo’, ‘Parkright’, Parkmobile’ etc.

    #150902
    AMA Express
    AMA Express
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    or Kingdom !

    #150923
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Aye, their heart’s in the right place.

    #150946

    Marie
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    Totally agree that the machines will cost WCBC more to administer than they will raise (over a 12 month rolling period). I would love to know who carried out the feasibility study and whether they will be accountable if this is confirmed. I saw photographs of the Llay carpark looking rather empty last weekend in the beautiful weather. At least the Gwersyllt side has some facilities which may encourage payment.

    I think it’s incredibly short sighted to change people for accessing our areas natural capital. The benefits of free access for all in terms of health and well being of the local population would surely outweigh and small amount of profits that WCBC rather optimistically expect to raise? In terms of the local football club and the ‘it’s only £1 argument’ yes, many families may be able to afford £1 to park the car. But the principle is that a charge is being imposed on families for them to access outdoor recreational facilities leading to the clubs relocation = decreased participation. What next? A couch to 5k club relocates to Acton park? Walkers groups meeting in Waun-Y-llyn instead?

    #150959
    Sheefag
    Sheefag
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    Relocation over a quid?
    There’s principles, and there’s hubris.

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