Listing Wrexham Investments & What Happened

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  • #53695

    wxm
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    As a community, what investments have we supported, or not supported; how much did it cost to work through and promote those investments and ideas; and what has been the result or financial return for the community and the local economy?

    1. Ski Slope at Gresford?

    #56873
    wxm;4678 wrote:
    As a community, what investments have we supported, or not supported; how much did it cost to work through and promote those investments and ideas; and what has been the result or financial return for the community and the local economy?

    1. Ski Slope at Gresford?

    have you got the costs? I thought this was private investment?

    Was never the brightest of ideas… in a town full of hills they decided to spend alot of their captial on building a hill and in a part of town that is one of the most anti development

    #56889

    wxm
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    Much has been published. Funds from National Coal Board, WDA now Welsh Government, Wrexham Council; some in overhead or in kind.

    #56874
    wxm;4681 wrote:
    Much has been published. Funds from National Coal Board, WDA now Welsh Government, Wrexham Council; some in overhead or in kind.

    Can you publish them?

    Without evidence, it’s worthless and meaningless saying that.

    Was it a company? what was its name? The accounts will be available.

    #56890

    wxm
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    There’s all sorts of information been published or available, plenty of evidence, much alluded to by press clippings over the years. The nub of this, is having spent so much community energy on this, what did we get back?

    Turning to the roads, this has been a good investment for Wrexham, they are maintained well, and give us good service, other than some quirky junctions that can be improved!?! Roads & Transport being one of the four economic planks, are we investing enough? We get a good return on our money compared to some other comparable geographies and commuter numbers?

    Should we be congratulating the Transport people, and help them invest more?

    #56875
    wxm;4685 wrote:
    There’s all sorts of information been published or available, plenty of evidence, much alluded to by press clippings over the years. The nub of this, is having spent so much community energy on this, what did we get back?

    Then publish it otherwise it is nothing more than rumour and conjecture.

    You can’t go on alluded facts from the mis-leader, because normally they only publish opinions rather investigating and publishing facts… (see the lack of investigative journalism over wrexham fc, maesgywn, etc.) Thats not good enough and it’s impossible to form an opinion without giving those that in the media spotlight the benefit of the doubt.

    #56891

    wxm
    Participant

    Its on public record in all sorts of places, it’ll take time and money to dig it all out. It’ll come to the fore. The key is to list everything we’ve been working on in the community, and determine what we should do collectively next?

    The problem seems to be in Wrexham that proposals or developments are being treated in isolation. The forums show an integrated plan, but this appears to be to address the public sector need for a Local Board to manage all public services as one. Until we start to get all the issues on once page, choose the priorities, through championing opportunities ahead of the curve, and shedding waste and initiatives that are past the curve, Wrexham will continue as it has been.

    #56876
    wxm;4689 wrote:
    Its on public record in all sorts of places, it’ll take time and money to dig it all out. It’ll come to the fore. The key is to list everything we’ve been working on in the community, and determine what we should do collectively next?

    The problem seems to be in Wrexham that proposals or developments are being treated in isolation. The forums show an integrated plan, but this appears to be to address the public sector need for a Local Board to manage all public services as one. Until we start to get all the issues on once page, choose the priorities, through championing opportunities ahead of the curve, and shedding waste and initiatives that are past the curve, Wrexham will continue as it has been.

    Unless there is proof or even some evidence that leads to a degree of mistrust, it shouldn’t go on a list.

    And for me Re: the ski slope, as you have provided no evidence, there is no proof or degree of mistrust on anything untoward.

    You cant make an allegation without it backing up with facts. If you really felt that strong you would provide proof.

    No Proof. No Argument. Nothing here to show that there is waste. At the moment there is just a libertarian political agenda without any evidence to back it up that reduces the rights and say that the public deserve, rather than an agenda for wrexham or its people.

    #56892

    wxm
    Participant

    Read the Wrexham Tourism Strategy, and the WDA Annual Reports of the time, that will give you the picture, along with the reclamation works. Wrexham needs to press on, look what hasn’t worked, positively learn, and make the future work. Wrexham is way behind the curve in creating progressive GVA. People talk about going out and seeking good practice and copying it. Good practice created an anodyne Britain, with every retail offer and town centre the same. Wrexham needs to look what its done in the past, and so as its statement says and take responsibility for a strong and resilient economy. Whatever degree of financial resource Wrexham has invested, it has heavily influenced the shape of Wrexham through its policies, especially planning.

    #56877
    wxm;4694 wrote:
    Read the Wrexham Tourism Strategy, and the WDA Annual Reports of the time, that will give you the picture, along with the reclamation works. Wrexham needs to press on, look what hasn’t worked, positively learn, and make the future work. Wrexham is way behind the curve in creating progressive GVA. People talk about going out and seeking good practice and copying it. Good practice created an anodyne Britain, with every retail offer and town centre the same. Wrexham needs to look what its done in the past, and so as its statement says and take responsibility for a strong and resilient economy. Whatever degree of financial resource Wrexham has invested, it has heavily influenced the shape of Wrexham through its policies, especially planning.

    So you can’t provide proof?

    This is the problem with local politics, lots of rhetoric followed by a suggestion on what should be done, but no transparency or proof to back anything up.

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