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    jimbow
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    I am concerned with WCBC having so many so called Independent Councillors.

    If there were no Independent Candidate in a General Election in Wrexham which there hasn’t been, who would the present Independent Councillors in Wrexham vote for?

    Surely the electorate should know beforehand which way their candidate is leaning. At the present time in Wrexham we have two lines of Independents, and somehow they all support the same issues.

    Could it be that candidates should represent a major party with a portfolio rather than the present system we have in Wrexham.

    I am convinced that we would get better service from a changed system than the one we are presently under.

    #148616

    Council Watcher
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    In Wrexham, we have a situation were many prospective Councilors at the time of an election put themselves forward as Independents yet if successful they then join a Group – for one simple reason – to try and get a Chairs on Scrutiny or on the Executive. Self-benefit!!
    If these so-called Independent Council Members actually wanted to be in a Group they should then at least come together to have a’manifesto’ that reflects the direction they want to move Wrexham. Currently, they can change direction on a whim the same as the wind.

    #148617

    Matt
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    In Wrexham, we have a situation were many prospective Councilors at the time of an election put themselves forward as Independents yet if successful they then join a Group – for one simple reason – to try and get a Chairs on Scrutiny or on the Executive. Self-benefit!!
    If these so-called Independent Council Members actually wanted to be in a Group they should then at least come together to have a’manifesto’ that reflects the direction they want to move Wrexham. Currently, they can change direction on a whim the same as the wind.

    Seconded! Couldn’t have put it better myself. I think that only genuinely independent councillors should be able to label themselves as such and the non-major party aligned groupings need different names and also should produce a manifesto before the election. That way, even if they say, we plan to reign in budget spending and make cuts and austerity across the board then they have to state this. Would be interesting to see if anyone would be willing to vote for all cuts and no positives.

    #148621

    Mike Davies
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    For information, there are 2 Independent Councillors in Wrexham who are not affiliated to either group. :-)

    #148625

    Council Watcher
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    Apologies Mike at least you and Ronnie have remained true to your electorate stance.

    #148627

    jimbow
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    Just out of interest Mike do you know if the Bithell and Pritchard Independent Groups have separate party meetings to discuss which way they propose to support ? Both sets of Independents come across as being on the same wavelength.

    #148628

    Mike Davies
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    Jimbow, whilst I am not privy to their group activities. I believe the 2 groups meet up occasionally to discuss issues. I don’t know if they meet up in 2 groups or 1 big group though. Maybe a bit of both. I don’t really have a problem with people getting together in groups but I don’t really understand why there are 2 Independent groups if they decide to work as a coalition. I would think it would be better if there were two groups to have a broadly left leaning group and a broadly right leaning group. If that makes sense.

    #148629

    jimbow
    Participant

    Thanks for that Mike. I just cannot believe that all the 24 Independent Group Councillors, are all of the same opinion on every topic that needs a vote to be taken on.

    #148632

    Council Watcher
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    You only need to see the body language at some meetings to realise that the two Independent Group Leaders personally apper to retract from each other like the poles of a magnet. Cllrs Pritchard and Bithell are known to have their personal power spates.
    Two Groups equals two Leaders and two Deputies — it is a way of making sure that more Cllrs get roles.
    There may be an Executive that always (except for the recent Bill Baldwin opt-out) vote the same but to get to this point often has a lot of behind closed door meetings between the two Leaders

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