I don't like Corbyn's policies but the local alternative is Andrew Atkinson ….

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    Owain Glyndwr
    Owain Glyndwr
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    Thanks for the responses, i think I know which way I am going now, especially after seeing one of the local candidates in action last night.

    Also, the Tories have shown their ‘look after their friends’ hand with the bring back fox hunting card so its same old, same old.

    I wish i could vote Daave as he does talk a lot of sense, hidden in his comedic posts, but realistically I have to go with who i think can do something to help turnaround Wrexham as it has become a joke of a town.

    Diolch yn fawr,
    Owain

    To be born Welsh is to be born privileged, not with a silver spoon in your mouth, but with music in your blood, and poetry in your soul.

    #131104

    His Nibs
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    Any vote for the tories is like a turkey voting for christmas.

    I`ve never understood why Andrew Atkinson says he’s supporting the NHS, he seems completely oblivious to his own party policy.

    #131207

    Liam
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    No UKIP candidate in Wrexham. I think that’s probably sealed it for the Tories then.

    #131208

    TheTruth
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    Do we really want more of the same? Let’s put it this way, Ian Lucas became our MP in 2001, and since that time Wrexham has been in steady decline, I don’t think anyone can deny this, and the rot set in before the Tories came to power. Now I know that correlation does not imply causation, there are other factors such as the inept council, but it certainly doesn’t reflect well on Lucas. I’m sure he’s done a lot of good things for the town in that time, MP’s like to take the credit when things are going well, but distance themselves when things are going wrong. Yes, Lucas is familiar to us, but to vote for him based upon that is textbook Stockholm Syndrome.

    I also don’t think the photo-opportunity criticism against Atkinson is fair, it’s part and parcel of politics, Lucas certainly isn’t shy when it comes to exploiting a photo opportunity, nor should he be. I’ll admit that I don’t know much about Andrew Atkinson, and I’m hoping to learn more about him in the coming weeks. I’ll probably base my vote on local concerns since I feel that the situation in Wrexham is particularly desperate at the moment, we’re at breaking point whether people like to admit it or not. I’m not going to vote against Lucas just for the sake of it, but I am open to change if the right candidate comes forward.

    #131212

    TheTruth
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    That being said, Labour on a national level are currently a joke. Their policies sound attractive, but are completely unworkable without substantially increasing the national debt. It’s more of a optimistic wishlist than an actual manifesto.

    #131213

    Matt
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    That being said, Labour on a national level are currently a joke. Their policies sound attractive, but are completely unworkable without substantially increasing the national debt. It’s more of a optimistic wishlist than an actual manifesto.

    Then there’s the Tories wonderful track record, increasing the national debt from just above £1trn when they came in in 2010 to £1.72trn this year, whilst achieving sweet FA. Mr Osbourne’s Austerity’s magic numbers machine. I don’t think Hammond’s grasp of numbers are very strong & stable either.

    #131274

    TheTruth
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    That being said, Labour on a national level are currently a joke. Their policies sound attractive, but are completely unworkable without substantially increasing the national debt. It’s more of a optimistic wishlist than an actual manifesto.

    Then there’s the Tories wonderful track record, increasing the national debt from just above £1trn when they came in in 2010 to £1.72trn this year, whilst achieving sweet FA. Mr Osbourne’s Austerity’s magic numbers machine. I don’t think Hammond’s grasp of numbers are very strong & stable either.

    So you’re criticising the Tories for not dealing with the debt, yet are simultaneously advocating a candidate whose economic policies will substantially add to the national debt. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    This Labour manifesto is one of the most expensive anyone’s ever seen, at a time of high and tight budgets. Most of the money will have to come from increased borrowing.

    Socialism is wonderful, until you run out of other people’s money.

    #131275

    Matt
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    So you’re criticising the Tories for not dealing with the debt, yet are simultaneously advocating a candidate whose economic policies will substantially add to the national debt. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    This Labour manifesto is one of the most expensive anyone’s ever seen, at a time of high and tight budgets. Most of the money will have to come from increased borrowing.

    Socialism is wonderful, until you run out of other people’s money.

    No, I’m pointing out that the Tories bash on about fiscal responsibility and want to shine a light on Corbyn’s proposed spending to be irresponsible but their track record is also less than exemplary. I will not put my hand up and say I am an expert in how much individual policies will cost because I believe very few armchair or professional ‘experts’ really have a clue. For example, no-one really knows how much Brexit is going to cost.

    I also don’t particularly identify with any socialist or capitalist labels. What I do know is what the Tories have done since 2010 isn’t working and I’m willing to give someone else a chance to run the country. Yes, that’s a risk but I’d rather it than the Farce of Theresa May’s Team.

    The Tories have tried to impose but have later u-turned several policies that could have directly impacted on my family, so I’m going to vote against a party that could affect me directly financially, rather than worry about any indirect national financial fears that could happen.

    #131288

    Matt
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    Andrew Atkinson has made it very clear on his Facebook profile in a response to someone asking him about the NHS that there should be more accountability in the Welsh NHS to stop Labour from blaming the Tories for its failings and admits the Conservative run English NHS also has problems. This was from a few days ago, so I wanted to know how he felt about how the Labour run Welsh NHS was running completely fine today on a day where the English run Tory NHS was crippled by a cyber attack with patient treatment unable to be provided in several locations. I was also very interested to know with his need for there to be accountability on health services in general who was going to be held responsible for this critical failure of the NHS in England? He might claim to be Welsh but he’s still a Tory and Tories must be kept away from our Welsh NHS at all costs.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=834916786646945&id=100003858942870

    #131289

    99DylanJones
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    The political link for the NHS cyber attack may be justified if investment in England and Wales shows to be the problem. It will probably turn out to be a problem due to the contracts in place with large multi national service businesses. Large profit making companies could easily make excess profits from. Health contract not maintaining system security could be issues.
    Any Public Body not maintaining software is a risk. Be interesting to know what system Wrexham Council operate and how at risk their systems are.
    This shows how vulnerable we are as a society when “trusted” institutions such as health are so vulnerable. This is not political but technological could rail, water, energy, police etc be next.

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