How does NORTH WALES spend its money

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  • #53906

    wxm
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    Trying to work out how Wrexham spends its money, and could better spend its money, makes an interesting subject across North Wales . . .

    If this reading of the accounts is right, we spend £2,208m through the six authorities in North Wales . . .

    £1,448m is for education & children, social care, and housing . . .

    Transport is £137m with the highest in Flinthsire at £27m, and the least in Wrexham at £14m . . .

    Community & regulatory type services are £344m . . .

    Democratic services are £49m . . .

    OTHER OPERATING EXPENDITURE is £113m with Anglesey and Flintshire the highest on £22m each, and Conwy the lowest at £17m . . .

    FINANCE COSTS appear to be £117m with Wrexham & Gwynedd at £38m and £35m, Flintshire & Denbighshire at £14m, and it looks like Gwyneed is £9m and Anglesey £7m . . .

    Does anyone know if this is correct?

    If so, what are £49m on democratic services and £113m on other expenditure?

    #59444

    wxm
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    If these numbers are reasonably accurate, democratic & other operating expenditure costs each person in North Wales £240, and to look at it another way, £600 each household

    #59445

    wxm
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    In North Wales, we seem to spend on education £767m, on social care needs £303m, and on housing £378m. These are very specialist areas, were the professionals control the budget and the service delivery. Why do these areas come under councillors, and what effect can councillors have on these?

    Would a North Wales, or North West & North East Wales body, be better?

    How does it work in other parts of the United Kingdom? Some government departments spend billions, do an excellent job, with only a handful of decision makers and senior executives.

    #59433

    thewayneinspain
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    wxm;4348 wrote:
    Would a North Wales, or North West & North East Wales body, be better?

    No No No. This is less democratic. Betsi NHS being the perfect example.

    #59442

    Welsh Dresser
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    @thewayneinspain 4352 wrote:

    No No No. This is less democratic. Betsi NHS being the perfect example.

    Betsi is a great example of being too big to be mangeable.

    #59432

    wrexview
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    It will not be long before it is all reorganised again and Denbighshire, Flintshire and Wrexham will be reunited.

    #59446

    wxm
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    One example used by councillors for the level of their fees, and overall costs incurred by the authority, are the range of responsibilities. There are housing authorities and associations up and down Britain that have much greater numbers of houses and budgets compared to North Wales, and who’s performance on repairs and rents are much better. We could look at the options? If it could work for housing, it could work for education and social care, which in any case are specialist fields of expertise?

    #59434

    thewayneinspain
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    wxm;4360 wrote:
    One example used by councillors for the level of their fees, and overall costs incurred by the authority, are the range of responsibilities. There are housing authorities and associations up and down Britain that have much greater numbers of houses and budgets compared to North Wales, and who’s performance on repairs and rents are much better. We could look at the options? If it could work for housing, it could work for education and social care, which in any case are specialist fields of expertise?

    less democratic – no way!

    And the less democracy there is during a depression, results in more social unrest and far right extremism.

    #59440

    Alunh
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    Wow. At best, you’re piddling in the wind on this one!!!

    In terms of principles, I would suggest that money is best left in people’s pockets for them to use personally and not passed over to Councils to spend on your behalf. Whilst I accept that there has to be a basic service provision, there is so much waste it becomes unbelievable. On the Pensions matter, there is a black hole in almost every Council because commitments have been made to (say) Teachers that are not actually covered by funds in the can. The problem is compounded by the fact that those who are expected to stump up for the eventual payments (the taxpayers) are not necessarily ever likely to enjoy the same pension payouts themselves. This will create a new politics of envy that we can term the politics of resentment

    #59447

    wxm
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    well, at least this is one place that the subject will get a public airing. If its right, the National Assembly for Wales costs £42m a year to run for the whole of Wales, and the Democratic Services (assuming this is the equivalent) in North Wales is £49m a year . . .

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