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  • #68194

    Steve
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    @Steve 13588 wrote:

    It was just an example with some wild numbers to demonstrate a point. Excessive speeding is bad, however so is using a phone when driving or not paying attention when driving at 25mph in a 30 limit!

    I need to correct my previous post above to say that “Inappropriate speeding is bad”

    While all speeding is illegal and a great revenue generator for the UK, its the inappropriate speeding that causes problems, lets say a motorbike is travelling illegally at 80 mph on the A483, he is passing cars in lane one who are travelling at 60 to70 and are spaced every 500 meters apart. Except for catastrophic mechanical failure or medial issues such as a heart attack their is not a lot to go wrong.

    On the other hand the same bike is filtering between two rows of cars on the same section of A483 (both lanes of cars 5 to 15mph), while filtering at 10 to 20mph should cause little issue if he was travelling well within the speed limit at 40 to 50mph this would be inappropriate and the chance of an incident is now very high.

    #68201

    MP1953
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    @NJones 13589 wrote:

    No its the drivers inability to control their car that kills, not the speed.

    Still not having it ;) ya all must be boy racer speed merchanty types on here :p

    #68205

    Well.I.Say
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    The 50 limit on the Pontblyddn dual carriageway has created a far more deadly problem, vehicles now stuck in a line at 50mph on average 15 FEET apart, bored and frustrated, and given that includes 38 ton trucks which can easily manage 50mph, the next incident could be a multi-vehicle pile-up.
    At this location, only one incident has involved excessive speed and that by a young, totally inexperienced driver, the other was a drunk-driver and both were AFTER the dual carriageway had ended.
    No speed limit will stop the basic problem of drivers crossing the double whites lines on every bend on the stretch of road after the DC and it is THAT is what is causing the collisions there. Weeks after the new lower limit has been set there has been yet another serious RTC after the DC, same place as the previous ones. So that worked didn’t it??
    Instead of ‘brainless, speed did it, so make it slower !’ solutions they need an intelligent look at road engineering here to sort this out properly and ease the issue of traffic merging on a blind bend.
    As for Go-Safe that doesn’t explain the issues at the time of the offence, as a proper Traffic Officer would do, it just sends a bill later, no education involved just money – useless, and proven that the LED signs have more success than a pillock hiding in a van at reducing speed.

    #68198

    johnhoppy
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    I have been caught speeding four times……in fifty years of driving. The last time was in Pontblyddyn, but not on the dangerous bends, but on the strait bit opposite the garage at the grand speed of 34 mph in a 30mph limit. (a few weeks previously the limit was 40mph)

    Go Safe is purely targeted at raising money. There has never been an accident on that piece of road, but you will never find them somewhere near the dangerous bends where there have been numerous fatalities.

    I am an ex professional driver and at times the legal speed limit it too high for prevailing conditions, and I will drive accordingly. Go safe is a money making scheme which does not take into account road conditions or bad driving.

    #68189

    Born Acorn
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    The proposal seems like the cheapest “lets look like we’re doing something” option.

    Well placed crash barriers would save more lives.

    #68202

    MP1953
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    @Born Acorn 13619 wrote:

    The proposal seems like the cheapest “lets look like we’re doing something” option.

    Well placed crash barriers would save more lives.

    You wouldn’t need crash barriers if you drove steady ;) roads are not grand prix circuits :)

    #68206

    Well.I.Say
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    @MP1953 13625 wrote:

    You wouldn’t need crash barriers if you drove steady ;) roads are not grand prix circuits :)

    Interesting that you quote roads as Grand Prix circuits, when was the last death on a GP circuit due to speed? Everyone cites ‘speed’ as the ultimate cause of all crashes so must be banned, absolute rubbish. Maybe if we started with driver training and basic competence to drive a vehicle things might improve. How many cant even park a car at 1mph without hitting something? yet we see that as humorous, so what then says they are capable of controlling the same vehicle at 30+mph?, how many ‘drivers’ are scared of using motorways? They are therefore not competent to use any road.
    We should not be using ‘slow and steady’ as not an alternative to driver skill, training and ability in all conditions and all circumstances of driving. Not up to standard, get them off the roads until they are, and stop lowering the standards to suit the lowest common denominator.

    #68203

    MP1953
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    ;)@Well.I.Say 13628 wrote:

    Interesting that you quote roads as Grand Prix circuits, when was the last death on a GP circuit due to speed? Everyone cites ‘speed’ as the ultimate cause of all crashes so must be banned, absolute rubbish. Maybe if we started with driver training and basic competence to drive a vehicle things might improve. How many cant even park a car at 1mph without hitting something? yet we see that as humorous, so what then says they are capable of controlling the same vehicle at 30+mph?, how many ‘drivers’ are scared of using motorways? They are therefore not competent to use any road.
    We should not be using ‘slow and steady’ as not an alternative to driver skill, training and ability in all conditions and all circumstances of driving. Not up to standard, get them off the roads until they are, and stop lowering the standards to suit the lowest common denominator.

    The only reason there are no deaths at the GP’S these days is because of all the safety features on the cars and circuits …. :rolleyes: Get the speed merchants off the roads I say :D:D:D:D otherwise just pay your fines

    #68187

    Philip Osborne
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    @MP1953 13625 wrote:

    You wouldn’t need crash barriers if you drove steady ;) roads are not grand prix circuits :)

    Hitting black ice, or aquaplaning, on a winding single-carriageway road could happen to even the most careful driver, and could result in you crossing the central white line into oncoming traffic whether you were travelling at 60mph, 50mph or 30mph … therefore a crash barrier would offer far greater protection to you than simply reducing the speed limit.

    Speed, by itself, does not kill! Hitting things is what kills them! There are many other things that could be done apart from reducing speed to improve road safety … sometimes those other things should be done together with reducing speed, sometimes the existing speed limit is appropriate and other changes should be considered instead because they would have a greater overall result on road safety.

    But blaming speed alone without even considering the alternatives, and then reducing speed limits is the easiest, quickest and often cheapest solution … whether it actually works or not!

    #68188

    Philip Osborne
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    @MP1953 13631 wrote:

    ;)The only reason there are no deaths at the GP’S these days is because of all the safety features on the cars and circuits …. :rolleyes: Get the speed merchants off the roads I say :D:D:D:D otherwise just pay your fines

    The original poster on this thread was making exactly this point … get the speed merchants off the roads … but a blanket reduction of the speed limit won’t do that. You see … the people who were driving at 60mph when the speed limit was 60mph were not the ones that were having the accidents, it was the idiots that drove at 70, 80, 90 or 100mph who were the danger.

    So making all the obedient 60mph drivers slow down to 50mph won’t actually help … because the idiots that broke the 60mph limit will still break the 50mph limit and cause the same accidents they were causing before

    … except now the rest of us are all being forced to slow down, being caught out by sneaky speed cameras, and increasing OUR risk of accident when we’re happily driving along a national speed limit road at a perfectly reasonable speed, suddenly spot an inappropriate “50” sign with a camera van hiding behind it and all slam on our brakes to avoid the unfair penalty.

    As for the comment about the “safety features on the cars and circuits” … many of those safety features on the cars ARE now on standard cars, and are actually far more responsible for reducing the number of accidents than reduced speed limits. As for safety features of the circuit … maybe some of those should be introduced on roads as well if they would have a greater impact on improving road safety than the all-too-easy decision to just knock another 10mph off the speed limit!

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