Groves Site: proof that 5+ into 2 can go

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    Alunh
    Alunh
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    Just noticed that a fresh decision on the Groves site has been bounced down the road. That said, it’s clear that this subject is providing a rich educational experience.

    Back before reorganisation there was a Faith school in Wrexham and a Welsh secondary. Still are.
    On top of that there were 5 Secondary schools and a Tech (which absorbed many under 15s)…..and the youngsters could leave at 15.

    On reorganisation, 5 went into 4, then 3 then 2…….all as the town grew. Good trick that.

    Can someone tell me why the real debate is not about the Groves site or the clever Maths…….but why oh why do we tolerate the current farce-facade

    #152054

    Matt
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    Just noticed that a fresh decision on the Groves site has been bounced down the road. That said, it’s clear that this subject is providing a rich educational experience.

    Back before reorganisation there was a Faith school in Wrexham and a Welsh secondary. Still are.
    On top of that there were 5 Secondary schools and a Tech (which absorbed many under 15s)…..and the youngsters could leave at 15.

    On reorganisation, 5 went into 4, then 3 then 2…….all as the town grew. Good trick that.

    Can someone tell me why the real debate is not about the Groves site or the clever Maths…….but why oh why do we tolerate the current farce-facade

    State of the failing in-town secondary schools is an embarrassing state of affairs, especially when so many of us actually received a decent enough education from them back in the day. The decay in standards and conditions is shocking. With very little improvement in sight, it is no wonder those who can bus their kids off to Penley, Kings, Dinas Bran etc… do so in droves.

    #152056
    Alunh
    Alunh
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    Just noticed…Maureen Gray has a point…….some gobble-de-gook above. Should have said that the real debate should be less about the site and more about why oh why Wrexham can’t sustain more than 2 schools.

    Problem for you Matt is that the state of the schools in the town is very much a product of Labour policy (though successive Councils haven’t helped). The Welsh Assembly operate a different set of rules to those used by English Labour before 2010 and non-differentiated Comps are insisted upon. No choice acceptable. Hardly surprisingly, parents of all shades try to calculate what choice they do actually have and opt for perceived catchment area. Hence, whilst any school drawing primarily off a large estate loses out, other schools drawing off rural villages gain Penley VS Rhosnesni. Check out the patterns. Crazy

    About time Laour Wales had a debate a BIG debate

    #152067

    Council Watcher
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    The big issue is that parents have a choice – some don’t cost anything and others have to pay for their decision (extra bus fairs). The cost of travel vs an actual likelihood of your child getting a better education in one of the outs of the county or Maelor School Penley is actually a small cost to pay (if you can afford) to get your child on a better pathway in life.

    All blame does not, however, lie at the door of the secondary schools – you only need to look at how few Primary schools in Wrexham are rated Green- poor quality early start in education will have an impact through a child’s education in schools.

    Compounded on top is the number of young people in secondary school is less than ten years ago – the real upturn based on the current Primary numbers will not hit until 2020/2021 and run to 2026 when ther will be between 10 and 15% than 2018/19

    #152071

    Maureen Gray
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    Alunh! How very dare you? I have never had a point in my life!

    #152079

    Matt
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    Compounded on top is the number of young people in secondary school is less than ten years ago – the real upturn based on the current Primary numbers will not hit until 2020/2021 and run to 2026 when ther will be between 10 and 15% than 2018/19

    The whole baby boom spike is quite interesting – from the quoted years – we’re talking about it matching up with the major austerity years – starting with children being born in 2009 (starting secondary school at 11 in 2020) just after the 2008 global financial crash and ending in 2015 when the Con-Lib Coalition Government ended & there was a winding down of doom and gloom – children being born then hitting secondary school age in 2026. Of course there are other factors leading in the years after for winding down of the boom – like Child Tax Credits being limited to 2 children only.

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