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January 26, 2015 at 5:39 pm #71726
A NuisanceParticipantI despise people who are eligible to vote, not voting.
In the main, they are the very ones who do the most complaining when things go wrong or not as they would like them to.
It would be interesting to find out whether the habitual dissenting contributors to this forum bother to get off their backsides and put their cross on the ballot paper on voting days.If their was someone/something worth voting for then people would vote example….( Scottish referendum) As it is I for one do not want to be complicate in the charade know as politics.
As for the “habitual dissenting contributors” voting habits, I would suspect they would be more likely to abstain from putting an x in a box, on the grounds that they question things a bit more than most.January 26, 2015 at 6:22 pm #71708
BenjaminMParticipantI very much doubt the veracity of your final sentence.
If people cannot be bothered to vote (and maybe their vote would help produce a different outcome), they have no right to complain after the event.
As has been famously said “if you’re not part of the solution, you are part of the problem”
January 26, 2015 at 6:55 pm #71715
FerretParticipant@BenjaminM 18235 wrote:
I very much doubt the veracity of your final sentence.
If people cannot be bothered to vote (and maybe their vote would help produce a different outcome), they have no right to complain after the event.
As has been famously said “if you’re not part of the solution, you are part of the problem”
Not sure I agree with that. There’s “not voting” because you can’t be bothered / take no interest in politics etc.: and “not voting” because no matter how hard you try none of the candidates push your buttons. Either way people always have the right to complain about the performance of whoever gets in -but admittedly it’s a bit rich for abstainers to grumble about the outcome of the election.
January 26, 2015 at 7:25 pm #71721
JaneJParticipantThere are two electoral rolls — public and private and people can select for their info not to be Public- not sure how ‘safe’ the private registration is as often lists of people are readily traded.
Sutton Council sells your electoral register details for £1,000 (From Sutton Guardian)If other Council sell information — wonder what Wrexham Council do.. how much are they making from our information.
January 26, 2015 at 7:40 pm #71728
Mrs CreweParticipantI completely agree with universal suffrage, to me the payment for living in a democratic country which is (compared to many other places) extemely safe, is to vote. But the main reason they are encouraging everyone to register on the register is because the national fraud initiative use it to identify various housing and other benefit frauds. If you are claiming housing benefit saying you are living alone, they can check the register for any other adults registered at the address.
I’m all for it, except for finding a solution for providing benefits for homeless people, I think that being on the electeral register should be a pre-requisite for claiming benefits.January 26, 2015 at 8:37 pm #71709
BenjaminMParticipantWhat evidence do you have Jane that the Private Electoral Roll is readily traded, because that is certainly what you seem to be implying? It certainly does not say that in the article that you refer to.
Under the Electoral Registration Regulations, the Public register is available to virtually anybody in exchange for a fee as determinedby the local registration body.
The Private register is available only to certain categories, including Police, certain Government Departments, the local Council and Credit Agencies, for Jury Service purposes and of course, electoral purposes – the sale of which, is completely legitimate.Do I detect another flippant FOI request coming on?
January 26, 2015 at 8:50 pm #71727
A NuisanceParticipantsorry you seemed to have missed my point; The only choice you have is vote for a political party or not. All current ones except the greens which I know little about, are proven to be corrupt to the very core.
As has been famously said “if you’re not part of the solution, you are part of the problem” that is a misquote!!!January 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm #71710
BenjaminMParticipant“You either have to be part of the solution, or you’re going to be part of the problem.”
Happy now?
January 26, 2015 at 9:26 pm #71722
JaneJParticipantPerhaps this article will help to clear up the issue of Councils selling information (I had nothing to do with this FOI before you comment about flippant FOIs being made)
Welsh councils make £143,000 from electoral roll data – Wales Online
January 26, 2015 at 9:37 pm #71700
wrexviewParticipant“Wrexham council received the most money over the past four years from selling the electoral register at £28,754.50, followed by Cardiff council at £13,949.50.”
Relevant quote from the article dated 2012 . So income covers the period 2008-2012 .
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