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  • #63089
    Chris
    Chris
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    Carl why not tweet @nwpcontrolroom or @nwpwrexhamtown every time you have a negative response off the police. I find they don’t like their dirty washing being aired on twitter.

    As a side note I was told by a serving officer that they should not stop if they see a minor crime taking place. This is a request from HO and it is reduce crime figues.

    #63093

    Arfon Jones
    Member

    Public Administration Select Committee taking evidence on Crime Statistics, open invitation to submit evidence via Public Administration Select Committee (PASC) – UK Parliament or follow @commonspasc

    #63094

    Arfon Jones
    Member

    Recent release of crime figures shows that crime has fallen across North Wales again, see today’s Daily Post.

    #63086

    Rob
    Participant

    Interesting link – there is always the question between crime and reported crime.

    Likewise it is hard to work out the stats of unreported crime as by definition it is not reported.

    #63095

    Arfon Jones
    Member

    Yes, but there is a difference between reporting a crime and the Police not recording it. Lots of anecdotal evidence from security staff in shops that Police won’t deal with shoplifting under £20.

    #63109

    Metalhead
    Participant

    @arfon Jones 9845 wrote:

    Yes, but there is a difference between reporting a crime and the Police not recording it. Lots of anecdotal evidence from security staff in shops that Police won’t deal with shoplifting under £20.

    It’s not just sub £20 thefts that the police won’t record. I have dealt with many where the culprit is either not recognisable (false/stolen vehicle plates etc.) or wears a baseball cap tipped forward, big wrap around sunglasses and/or keeps their head down so is any CCTV footage is pretty useless. As Major Quimby once famously quoted ”That could be anybodies ass”… I fully appreciate that there have been quite a few that I have dealt with where it was highly unlikely that the culprit could be identified and be subsequently caught but does that mean that these crimes should not be recorded?

    #63106

    darryl
    Participant

    We met up with Inspector Mark Williams earlier on today and showed him some of the issues raised on this forum. A write up will be online tomorrow (along with some other crime news!) Inspector Williams also mentioned he might join the forums to answer some of these comments /queries as well :D

    #63101
    cmaj76
    cmaj76
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    Would there be any possibility of setting up a database or similar on here or maybe another site, where store owners could log instances of shoplifting. Maybe just for a month trial just to get an idea of how many instances they are suffering. Obviously you would not be able to record details of individuals etc but it might give a clearer picture of what Wrexham’s crime stats actually are?

    #63107

    darryl
    Participant

    Police Respond To Shoplifting Stats Questions | Wrexham.com

    Here’s a link to the article about our meeting with the police earlier this week. Pulled a few comments from the forum that Inspector Mark Williams answered, so hopefully it answers some concerns! We’re Also hoping that some members of NWP will eventually join the forum to give feedback to forum comments :)

    #63096

    Arfon Jones
    Member

    Interesting article! Ask the Police why Police are discourage to arrest but rather invite offenders to the station as voluntary attenders where they are then reported for summons. Is this process to reduce arrests and charge and thus reduce arrest figures? It just seems a slow and cumbersome way to do things…bureaucratic.

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