March 7, 2014 at 6:30 pm #66883
You just don’t get it do you?March 7, 2014 at 8:30 pm #66905
Why do Councilors no matter the size of the electorate that they represent get paid the same basic pay level.March 10, 2014 at 7:42 am #66895
Interesting to read the wrexham.com article. Politics in the UK has clearly decided to pay councillors, and whereas it use to be voluntary and an oversight role as a civic duty, it has become remunerated to reflect responsibility and delivery.
The question is does the Council through this cost deliver what the community needs, are these services best value for money, and is the Council run and governed on the basis of best value for money. The cost of the individual is not the key question, but the return to the community. If councillors are now being remunerated at a market rate, their hands on role means that less decision making officers are needed, and they should demonstrate more day to day delivery …
It is not a question of a pay rise and that money going to charity … it is surely getting value for money for every pound spent in the community, delivering excellent education and social care, and having a high earning economy with good jobs for the future …March 11, 2014 at 7:59 pm #66906
Guess what — Councilors today voted to accept the financial increase–March 11, 2014 at 8:01 pm #66873
Just popped this up Wrexham Councillors Vote To Give Themselves Pay Rise | Wrexham.com
This thread was referenced in the meeting!March 11, 2014 at 8:15 pm #66902
Reply to Benjami’s quote ‘ To put it simply: Councillors set policy and ensure adherence. Officers implement.’
That is correct, Officers do implement – but when public don’t agree with an agreed decision – some Cll’s jump to their defence and argue against a policy that they voted for!!March 11, 2014 at 8:45 pm #66896
@daave63 12135 wrote:
… Officers do implement – but when public don’t agree with an agreed decision – some Cll’s jump to their defence and argue against a policy that they voted for!!
One body of people should set the policy and budget on behalf of the community, and then staff should implement that policy and budget to reviewed [scrutinised] periodically. To do both, is a conflict of interest?March 11, 2014 at 9:39 pm #66884
Wxm, I must confess, you never cease to amaze with your perverse logic.
Yesterday, (your 7.42 post) you stated that…… Less decision making officers are required….because of your assertion that Councillors now have a ‘hands on’ role.
Today, if I read you correctly, you are advocating yet another tier is introduced to monitor the output and cost effectiveness of the Officers implementation of policy. Where do you consider the conflict of interest arises? With Officers or with Councillors?
Let me once again remind you as you have patently not read the relevant section of WCBC’s constitution. SCRUTINY COMMITTEES exist for ALL the areas of responsibility of the Council, made up of cross party membership.
I await with bated breath for you to explain to all readers of these forums, as to how you seem to be able to arrive at two diametrically opposed opinions within the space of 24 hours and as to who you advocate should undertake the scrutiny role.March 11, 2014 at 10:27 pm #66874
There has been arguments from Councillors themselves that the work program and scrutiny isn’t working eg. Councillors Disagree On Their Ability To Scrutinise | Wrexham.com .March 12, 2014 at 7:06 am #66907
Now that the Councilors have voted for their own payrise and they donate to charity maybe they will give it to the Keep Plas Madoc open campaign seeing they are so sorry to see the facility close.
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