Councillor wants action taken over Gresford travellers as soon as possible

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    Conde
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    Right, let’s get in to a few parts of this shall we Matt?

    How can I criticise for not having a viable idea of my own? Well… put simply… I’ve got the brain cells to understand that I don’t have a viable option that pleases all – I have my personal preferences based on my own internal biases. However I also understand that something needs to be done about the situation. It seems your option is to winge at whatever option is being undertaken because you’re too imposed in your own reality to pin your idea to the wall and let people look at it. (For the record, I’m fully in favour of what so far has been done in order to move people on. I do believe we need another community for travellers – however I also believe that this needs to be done strategically with support from NWP and not just “plopped” somewhere and have to deal with it on the back foot)

    I have a strong track record of criticising where I believe it’s due – every colour – including the one I stood for! However, I’m also very quick to *rightfully* defend the exact same politicians when I believe that they have made the right call or that petty attacks on them and their characters are totally unwarranted. That’s all part of the balance of politics and I’d like to think that if we ever want a strong council (read: democracy) we as electors need to be able to identify, and voice our support where warranted just as much as our criticism – irrespective of party colours.

    I’m sure Atkinson can make his own statements and I’m sure if he feels he needs to he probably will. I’m making *MY* statement of defence just as you are making *YOUR* statement of attack.

    As for being part of Atkinson’s “clique” as you put it. I’ve met the guy once when I stood as an independent in the last election. Again, if and when I find fault in is approach, don’t you worry a moment, I’ll let you know. Do you want it by pigeon or poem?

    I act dumbfounded because as far as I can make out the only reason many people don’t like him is because he sits under a blue flag. You’re admitting that yourself when you say he’d be more popular if he wasn’t a Tory.

    To summarise:

      Give me some proof to why he’s the bad guy.

    What exactly has he done to offend / upset / wind you up. If you provide me strong enough evidence I’m more than happy to support your claims. As far as I can see, you just don’t like him because he’s a Tory.

    *Point of information… I stood for yellow in 2012, I stood as indy in 2017 – I’m certainly not a Tory. I’m however certainly not a socialist or whatever brand of red we’ve currently got.

    #152605

    Matt
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    Oh Conde, Conde, Conde – me old mucker. Where do I start?

    The public accusations against myself and other Labour activists for daring to ask questions about THAT call centre incident? The one I can’t comment on in full in public because whenever I do on most social media platforms it gets deleted – including on here. At his request. – Why the continued censorship? If I’m in the wrong, for bringing it up – why no public rebuke? Why continue to ghost everything? Why not get in touch with me man to man and ask me to revoke my statements?

    Perhaps the using of the Wrexham Conservative Twitter account to “anonymously” hurl insults at myself and other local Labour activists and then later delete and then block us.

    Continued use of the former Tory Chairman and also Tory Youth Wing Boffin to attack both Labour activists, Labour political members and also members of Plaid. So in other words any credible opposition.

    Flat out refusal to acknowledge my questions to him in public on issues such as the local NHS, his views on Fox hunting, Fracking etc… – yet completely able to make snide remarks behind my back to 2 different members of my family. He’s an absolute coward and I find it highly amusing that he must find me some kind of threat when all I do is speak my mind in public. I don’t need a nice guy persona to hide behind to express my true feelings. What you see is what you get.

    There are countless other things I’ve been told in confidence that I am unable to repeat on here – my grape vine goes far and wide – not just in red circles – as you like to paint us – but everywhere in Wrexham and further afield.

    Funny thing is, as we’re not in election footing I’ve largely stepped down my critique of his activities – yet still his white knights come at me. Current state of affairs though, he has absolutely no idea what’s coming if he chooses to stand as MP candidate again. There are a lot of sleeper cells out there, just waiting. Tick tock, tick tock. Somewhat amusingly, this will be painted as a veiled threat, but of course what I’m talking about is just plain old political campaigning. ALL ABOVE BOARD – I might add – no call centres involved.

    Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with disliking someone for being a Tory. No law against it, last time I checked. Are we going to start up a new snowflake brand of phobia – Toryphobia?

    #152608
    Councillor X
    Councillor X
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    Right, let’s get in to a few parts of this shall we Matt?

    I do believe we need another community for travellers

    But not on your doorstep Mr Conde?

    A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom.

    #152611

    Conde
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    Matt
    “The call centre” – I haven’t got a clue about the alleged deletions of your questions and alleged questions of others (perhaps they were deleted and I didn’t see them… who knows?). However, I’m fairly certain the allegations were cleared were they not via independent investigations – or is my political knowledge failing me on this occasion. But we would be lying to one another if we didn’t accept that on points one doesn’t want to engage with… people don’t engage with? REGARDLESS of the reason why. If it was me… my response would be that I was cleared by an independent investigation and surely that’s enough trail to lean towards innocence.

    Ref your points about Twitter – I’ve seen this happen on all sides. I’ve also been subject to it from all sides. Unfortunately parties need to sort their affairs out in that regard. So that’s pretty much an even keel on that.

    Ref the Tory Chairman and Tory Youth Wing – you’re going to have to educate me on that one I’m afraid… I’m legitimately unaware. Though to say that your current swathe of lab councillors are a credible opposition is a stretch – I was there at the alternative budget meeting and that was just a pure joke.

    In fairness… if your both being prattish to each other I can understand why one would ignore questions. Ian Lucas and Lesley did it to me for example. Again… a common problem. The only one who regularly comes back to me is Ken – and as such we maintain a positive line of communications.

    As for your sleeper cells ( I did chuckle at that by the way) providing it’s in the rules… it’s fair game. I just hope I don’t see some of the VERY VERY questionable tactics that I encountered during 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015 2016 and 2017 by a significant portion of candidates. Perhaps election rules need tweeking? One for the ERS.

    Councillor X – I’ve already got a small travellers community on my doorstep – didn’t complain about it at any point. Everybody needs to live somewhere. As long as my property, family and beloved dog are safe and sound – I couldn’t give a monkeys who rocks up next door.

    #152615

    Matt
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    Conde, I think you sum the whole thing up well – there is basically no love lost between myself and Clr Atkinson and I find it unlikely the situation will improve. We are just too ideologically different.

    But equally my entire core being opposes Wrexham turning blue to the Tories and there are other like-minded individuals who will do what it takes to keep things that way. So whoever takes up the role of Tory MP candidate to be has to expect to be in for a hell of a fight.

    As I’ve said before, I don’t think the current Labour councillors are providing the strongest opposition to what the Independent led Exec Board, which is why I don’t rely on them too much. I find that Plaid are much stronger at shaking things up, despite there only being 3 of them. I await in keen interest to see how the Executive Board deal with their request to get rid of the Kingdom Contract – on which there are very strong grounds to do so.

    Equally, I’ve not always been on the same side as Ian Lucas or Lesley Griffiths for various reasons. Bottom line is I’d probably have been thrown out of the Labour Party during the last party purge, which is why I won’t sign up to be a party member of anything. I’d rather be the free activist voter – it means whom I choose to back and my voice cannot be compromised by any organised political machine.

    #152616

    Council Watcher
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    Can we get back to the thread title — does anyone know if the travellers have now moved or is there a standoff for legal process to take place.

    #152624

    maxman
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    What the hell has Andrew Atkinson done to have his every move rubbished on here.

    He went out to try to sort out the problem with the illegal camp on a Sunday while the rest of the residents were sitting at home soaking up the sun. Whatever he does it seems to be picked up on here and pounced upon with mindless and untrue quotes. If you think that you can do the job better, stand up at the next election and be counted.

    Agree with the above,just doing what the residents of Gresford voted him in for.

    #152627

    Nen
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    Cheshire has barely any traveller sites so why does Wrexham seem to be so keen to provide so many of them in the Local Development Plan, on top of the ones already here? What is the benefit to the area? I don’t get it.

    #152629

    Matt
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    Agree with the above,just doing what the residents of Gresford voted him in for.

    The more individuals of your calibre agreeing with Andrew the better I say. Please continue your support and airing your views in the inevitable upcoming General Election.

    The zealots need to stop trying to shove the Welsh language down people’s throats .The time and money spent on having forms in both English and Welsh to appease a few nationalists is a scandle.In this day and age,if someone wants a form in the Welsh language they should be able to contact the relevant body and ask for a Welsh version.This would serve two purposes,show how many people really want a Welsh version ,less weight for the postie to carry.

    #152631

    Matt
    Participant

    Cheshire has barely any traveller sites so why does Wrexham seem to be so keen to provide so many of them in the Local Development Plan, on top of the ones already here? What is the benefit to the area? I don’t get it.

    From the looks of it on their website Cheshire West and Chester require a number of additional traveller pitches over the next few years. See the table. Although no idea where they are actually sited or proposed to be sited.

    https://www.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/residents/housing/gypsies-and-travellers/gypsies-and-travellers.aspx

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