Assembly to give more money for NHS Wales

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    wrexview
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    Where has this money come from all of a sudden? They have previously said they had no money and it was Westminister’s fault! Now AM’s face an election next, looks like Labour in Cardiff Bay are getting worried. Take politics out of the NHS and get working for everyone !

    #178207

    MadMan
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    You do realise this is the annual budget, there have been minuscule increases (like this) and they are right about the funding from Westminster, you could go on about timing, framing or how they spend the budget they have from Westminster, that is definitely up for debate. With Welsh Labour, it has a lot to do with the despicable management and poor planning for NHS Wales even during the Labour Government in Westminster with better spending increases in England and subsequently in Wales. They have a right to moan about funding as austerity is hurting the whole of the United Kingdom, we also have had local pressures with the building of the prison, without an increase to support our local needs. We should have made the Conservatives pay for their cruelty and we should have made Welsh Labour pay for their incompetence, instead, the country was too consumed by Brexit to realise, so the result for all the distraction was a Conservative Government without any benefit to the country.

    #178217

    wrexview
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    In the Revenue Settlement Newport gets a 5.4% increase and Wrexham 3.5% almost the lowest in Wales. Is there a published criteria that is used to arrive at these figures? During the election we were told Wrexham is a deprived area , with infrastructure problems , housing and homeless problems and drug related issues. So why isn’t our Revenue Settlement higher?

    #178224

    MadMan
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    I would love to know I am all for more transparency with these figures, if it is based on population and then population growth then we can see where they are coming from, but we need the data along with the article, these headline increases or headlines to say we got the lowest or the highest means nothing without transparency.

    #178225

    zinger
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    Anyone see all the new rail links for Wales on TV last night. Didn’t notice anything for Wrexham. What do our AM’s do for Wrexham?

    #178228

    DerekJackson
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    The Health increase is due to the Barnet formula settlement for Wales- Westminster can make all the noise about how much they will spend on Health – the decision on how much of the settlement goes on Health in Wales is totally dependent on the Cardiff based Welsh Government.
    In Wales they are trying to align Health and Social Care to create a seamless system – something that is years away with Local Authorities and Health all blaming each other and Welsh Government giving funds that are very short term to fix a problem that needs long term commitment.

    The North South split of funding is based significantly on population – this is often a nonsense as the cost to run a 20 bed hospital ward in Wrexham would be the same as in Cardiff (give or take a few slight variations) yet on paper Wrexham will get less because the population is less.

    As far as the trains are concerned – in Wrexham we will be reasonably well service if you are in Ruabon, Chirk, Gabowen you will be worse off as the way they have speeded up journey times is to remove certain stations.

    I wonder what out two new MPs will do to rebalance the Barnet Formula on which so much depends on for funding in Wales..

    #178241

    zinger
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    I wish that someone could explain the Barnet formula to me in words of no more than 2 syllables. Google seems to suggest that Scotland, Ireland & Wales all come off better than England per head with Ireland & Scotland better than Wales.

    #178384

    Ioan y Ffin
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    The Barnett formula was invented during the Callaghan government in the 1970s in response to the growing success of the SNP and Plaid Cymru and the threat they posed to Labour’s dominance of Scotland and Wales in Westminster elections.

    The formula is incredibly complicated but could broadly be summed up as Spending per person in England plus w x 100 divided by x multiplied by y minus the root of z, where: w = the number of marginal seats, x = the percentage of people speaking Celtic languages as their mother tongue, y = the length of unclassified roads that require passing places and z = the number of MPs complaining to the Chancellor of Exchequer that the public services in their constituency need additional funding. The policy didn’t really achieve its political goals, the Conservatives daren’t change it for fear of being portrayed as anti-Welsh or anti-Scottish and no one has ever proved that a poor person in Wales or Scotland is more deserving of government assistance than someone in England. Northern Ireland is a special case (as ever).

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