£4,989 is the Council annual spend of the working person?

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  • #61231

    thewayneinspain
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    Higgs_Boson;6599 wrote:
    How about you drop it and get back to the topic? If you want to throw childish insults at each other please can you create your own forum channel, you can go for gold in there. :D

    That’s interesting. A new user’s only post is to criticise users on a thread by saying get back on topic… but yet the new user doesn’t give an opinion about the topic of the thread. Not exactly the brightest bosen that givens mass to the atom

    #61246

    WelshAlien
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    @wxm 6533 wrote:

    The Council spends £430m a year, and with a population of 135,000 and two thirds 16 to 64 years of age, the spend per working age resident, excluding any other public service, is £4,989 each?

    How does that amount compare with other council’s?

    #61241

    wxm
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    @WelshAlien 6624 wrote:

    How does that amount compare with other council’s?

    £4,000 is a bench mark, will have a look

    #61242

    wxm
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    Comparable authorities seems to range between £3,400 to £4,300 if you bench mark what is achievable / should be.

    #61239

    Welsh Dresser
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    Is the population of the age group you mentioned comparable in Wrexham to other authorities. I was wondering if ours was smaller would it push up the amount per capita?

    #61243

    wxm
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    It’s quite interesting, and probably needs some work to decipher.

    The TOTAL spend per person on public services in the UK seems to be around £10,000 per head (assume this is 60m people).

    The spend of a council per head of the working population (say on average in an authority two thirds of people are 16 to 64 yrs of age), seems to range between £3,000 to £6,000. The accounts published seem to report the data the same way, but some lines show a big variance, for example some have high finance costs compared to others.

    On the council spend (Wrexham £430m) the majority comes in from various taxes, and some is raised through income such as housing rents, car parking, leisure, care, service fees.

    The picture is quite variable across councils.

    #61240

    Welsh Dresser
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    I am glad you understand it. I would be bamboozled by it!

    #61244

    wxm
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    I think it is quite simple for everyone. The maths are straight forward. The problem is trying to understand the Council accounts as they are published.

    #61232

    thewayneinspain
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    lots of of ifs and buts…

    because the working population depends very much on how hard the financial crisis hits each council area. For example the working population in wrexham is smaller per capita than say somewhere like southend where all the shops are occupied.

    An urban area will of course spend more than a rural area, because more amenities need to be provided not only because of the urban population, but because the rural population will visit the urban area also…. e.g. hospitals, shops, markets to sell their
    produce.

    I’m all for a reduction in the council’s spending, but this should be decided upon by the electorate not by the council oligarchy.

    #61245

    wxm
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    The key issue here, is probably, if a local authority spends £5000 per head of population that are eligible to work, how can we spend this money differently & better, and how can we raise more money without putting a greater burden on society.

    On spending differently & better, the answer could well be found in the Single Integrated Plan.

    On generating more money without being a great burden on society, this has got to be from pulling cash into the County by inward investment (new employers that want to be here, or expansion of existing employers), people going out of the County to work and bringing back in and spending much higher disposable incomes, tourism & visitor economy which we have probably tried and is not for us, increasing productivity of our existing business & industry.

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