[simmo70]

Grayling’s move to the Justice Department was not a coincident ,he had finished his dirty work at the DWP and now wants to inflict his venomous lack of moral standing upon LEGAL AID – which would affect the appeals system against his draconian cohorts ATOS .Grayling having been much publicised concerning his theft from the public purse and his habitual lying ,is now trying to stich up the only option left to the VICTIMS of the ATOS debacle by cutting the money available for appeals by £350-00 million a year .Conscience or better moral judgement defeated the proposed bill in the House of Lords (the one that Cameron wants to reform) votes against were 198 and 237 for preserving the right for appeal against Welfare Benefit decisions ,it highlights that 198 peers are in favour of denying a basic human right to the public .So 83% of those that decide our fate were for this erosive move on Democracy .
BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES

[thewayneinspain]

a lot of the cuts that started in legal aid happened since labour's review in 2000.

The tories & liberals have just followed on from what labour did, they are both as bad as each other.

[Sam]

Britain started losing the battle when ' being on the dole ' become a career choice rather than a situation you find yourself !

[thewayneinspain]

Originally Posted by Sam

Britain started losing the battle when ' being on the dole ' become a career choice rather than a situation you find yourself !

Popularist daily mail claptrap. why not provide some figures to prove that this is actually widespread?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by thewayneinspain

Popularist daily mail claptrap. why not provide some figures to prove that this is actually widespread?

Daily mail claptrap ????

I don't need any media to tell me what's happening on my doorstep.

Regarding the figures. I don't think the government would currently be addressing various aspects of the benefits system if all it had to go on was popularist daily mail claptrap.

[thewayneinspain]

Originally Posted by Sam

Daily mail claptrap ????

I don't need any media to tell me what's happening on my doorstep.

Regarding the figures. I don't think the government would currently be addressing various aspects of the benefits system if all it had to go on was popularist daily mail claptrap.

so in other words, you can't present any figures to back up your popularist daily mail claptrap claim?

before we forget your claptrap claim was ...

Originally Posted by Sam

Britain started losing the battle when ' being on the dole ' become a career choice rather than a situation you find yourself !

prove it... it's an act of layabout laziness not doing so.

[Sam]

Lol, I could get drawn in on this argument, but I won't.

Why ? You obviously haven't a clue what's going on around Wrexham, or probably the UK for that matter.
It's like watching a football match on sky, all the facts and detail are there, the smell and the atmosphere are not.

Are you a cabinet MP perchance ?

[thewayneinspain]

Originally Posted by Sam

Lol, I could get drawn in on this argument, but I won't.

Why ? You obviously haven't a clue what's going on around Wrexham, or probably the UK for that matter.
It's like watching a football match on sky, all the facts and detail are there, the smell and the atmosphere are not.

Are you a cabinet MP perchance ?

so in other words you can't defend your ignorant views that are only based on your selfish prejudices.

have youeven gone up to these people who you have prejudices towards and asked them if they had made a career choice to be unemployed?

interesting hypocritical argument from yourself, previously you used the government action as an excuse for your argument, now you are labelling them as out of touch.

Personally, I think you are lazy for not researching, but those with prejudices usually are.

I'm in the uk and wrexham frequently. See around about 10 to 15 wrexham games a season.

[Alunh]

Can't quite work out what this onslaught on the 'working class' is. When Labour was a proper socialist party it used to include clauses about people who wouldn't work going into labour camps. The real onslaught on working class people is when governments give out 'stuff' to people not to work so that they will vote for them. These are the bottom of the barrel types that will trade votes for stuff, paid for of course by the taxes of the working class.

[thewayneinspain]

Originally Posted by Alunh

Can't quite work out what this onslaught on the 'working class' is. When Labour was a proper socialist party it used to include clauses about people who wouldn't work going into labour camps. The real onslaught on working class people is when governments give out 'stuff' to people not to work so that they will vote for them. These are the bottom of the barrel types that will trade votes for stuff, paid for of course by the taxes of the working class.

Please could you clarify what you are trying to say in the above?

Do you mean the instructional centres of the great depression? The camps were a resounding failure, they had more than a 90% failure rate for finding jobs for those who completed their time on them. [See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...d/7842448.stm] They were just a way to massage the unemployment figures. You can't have jobs unless there is trade...

Really not sure what you are trying to say in the second half.